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Booky201
05-29-2004, 11:20 AM
I recently seen a game at the local store called Enigma: Rising Tides. It looked promising so I went to the web site to check for reviews before buying it. At the web site forums I seen a post about a future Silent Hunter III comming in the fall. I had no idea that there was gonna be another SH so I hurried my way back to this site to check it out.

The trailor is unbelievable, and I really like the graphics but there are two main reasons that I will not buy SH3 when it is released. The first reason is that I will not be forced to play German ALL the time, why not let us choose what team we want like we could back in the ol SH days? That is the same reason why I never bought SH2. The second reason is based off the threads I read here regarding no land, and no free sailing with a lack of dynamic campaign. I truely hope that someday, someone will make a awsome sub sim/game that will meet the needs that I feel most people have in this genre.

To new to the boards to make a difference,
Booky201

Booky201
05-29-2004, 11:20 AM
I recently seen a game at the local store called Enigma: Rising Tides. It looked promising so I went to the web site to check for reviews before buying it. At the web site forums I seen a post about a future Silent Hunter III comming in the fall. I had no idea that there was gonna be another SH so I hurried my way back to this site to check it out.

The trailor is unbelievable, and I really like the graphics but there are two main reasons that I will not buy SH3 when it is released. The first reason is that I will not be forced to play German ALL the time, why not let us choose what team we want like we could back in the ol SH days? That is the same reason why I never bought SH2. The second reason is based off the threads I read here regarding no land, and no free sailing with a lack of dynamic campaign. I truely hope that someday, someone will make a awsome sub sim/game that will meet the needs that I feel most people have in this genre.

To new to the boards to make a difference,
Booky201

Redwine
05-29-2004, 12:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Booky201:

That is the same reason why I never bought SH2.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong decision....... you loss it.......

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SailorSteve
05-29-2004, 01:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Booky201:
...why not let us choose what team we want like we could back in the ol SH days?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You couldn't choose "what team we want" even in the "good ol SH days". You were American. Period. Not that I'm complaining; I can play German anytime I want just by popping in AOD.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>That is the same reason why I never bought SH2.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If you've never played SHII with the awesome graphics and sound mods that have been done, you are really missing out. That said, even the new modded campaigns can't be made truly random, and that is maddening.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The second reason is based off the threads I read here regarding no land, and no free sailing with a lack of dynamic campaign.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The campaign problem is still in question, but I agree it doesn't look good. The "no land" thing is just something someone surmised from the "auto travel to the patrol zone". There is no evidence for the land one way or the other; i.e., no one (except the dev team themselves) knows anything.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I truely hope that someday, someone will make a awsome sub sim/game that will meet the needs that I feel most people have in this genre.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would be more than happy with SHII if it had AOD's career mode. AOD2 please.

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Egan2.0
05-29-2004, 01:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SailorSteve:

I would be more than happy with SHII if it had AOD's career mode. AOD2 please.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apparently, or so I've heard from people that have rooted around the code, a true AOD campaign would be possible if the source code were available. It seems that much of the Bobbins needed are already there....

Booky201
05-29-2004, 04:09 PM
Your right, I prolly did miss out with SH2, but I didn't have time to play due to school, family and everything else in life. But either way, I don't like the idea of not being able to play US. I did make a mistake though, your right I couldn't play enemy in SH, I was thinking of when I would swap SH and 688I mod made for PC. I will wait untill the next release with US subs, because I really, don't like shooting my own country ALL the time. Maybe im just funny that way.

Oh and btw, I got to fire a 20mm just like the one in your photo back in 1997. I was a Lance in the USMC and had a training exercise with some sailors (I was actually performing security work for that 4 days while going to Pearl) on a GDD. I can't for the life of me remember which ship it was though. I normally went on the kitty but this time they needed me for some reason on this GDD. Anyway, I still look forward to finding that "perfect" game in my eyes.

jagtigermk2
05-29-2004, 05:08 PM
i sympathize with you, because being of German decent i'll rather play as the German side. But i prefere playing as the Germans mainly because they were years ahead of the Allies, when it came to Underwater boats.

I agree with you, on that we should have a choice on what side to pick, that would be one of the keys to make the ultimate ww2 sub game. I would like to have the whole ocean world and coast lines/ports modeled, your American Gato class sub could go up againt my type XXI online. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

If SH3 turns out to be a good sub game, dont let playing as the Germans
stop you from buying it.

SailorSteve
05-29-2004, 06:40 PM
Booky201: Actually you CAN play SHII as an American now. It's a mod so large it qualifies as a game of it's own; it's called Pacific Aces and it's available at www.subsim.com (http://www.subsim.com). I have trouble with it because my ancient computer doesn't do a good job with it's high polygon count, but if your system will handle it it's highly recommended. The voice files alone are unbelievably immersive.

Jagtigermk2: I completely agree. If SHIII does turn out to be everything we want the the German only problem is not a problem at all. They've already hinted that if it sells well enough then a Destroyer add-on and U.S. Pacific sub version are possible. Me, I don't care. If I like it I'll play any sub from any side; I in fact would love to do both.

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delphin-U190
06-01-2004, 09:55 AM
I understand than you can be disapointed by the fact you can't choose to play the US side.

But why can't we play the german side in Medal of Honor or in Call of Duty ? In fact each game type as restriction and I play them both.

If you don't like to play Germans, you can easily imagine than you are an american commander who highjack a german u boat to attack german freighter or something like that

And you said you can't shoot US ship, what about the british, russian, french, belgian, norvegian, greek, canadian, australian ships... Not only the US fought the NAZI

Thomsen9U
06-01-2004, 10:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And you said you can't shoot US ship, what about the british, russian, french, belgian, norvegian, greek, canadian, australian ships... Not only the US fought the NAZI <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, even germans fought against NAZIs. And I think more germans fought against NAZIs as the whole allied forces did, because they fought mainly against GERMANS.

Why does no one use here words like "Fritz" or "Krauts"? They are much more polite! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Oh, I heard right now, that not every US-citizen is member of the Klu-Klux-Clan, can that be true? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

Yes, I'm a german! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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delphin-U190
06-02-2004, 02:04 AM
Excuse my bad english, I hope everyone can understand my mean, it's not a provocation just my opinion

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Yes, I'm a german! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And you can be proud of this !

I am french and one of my great father was german and fought on the eastern and on the european front.

I like Germany and I like France, my family is a part of them ! And sometime I would like to play german side in FPS, but no one permit it ! it's a shame, german soldier fought bravely despite they could disagree with the NAZI.

You are right about the germans who fought against NAZI,I don't know how many, but they have a great courage when we know what can happens to them and theire family.

Every soldier have to be respected even the defeated, no matter wich side they fought ! (you could exclude war criminal of course but every side have them)

Thomsen9U
06-02-2004, 05:05 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gifWell spoken!

My intension is only to seperate those two words, because beeing one does not mean automatically that you belong to the other.

BTW:
Is it known that percentual more Austrians were in high charges in the NSDAP, SA and SS than as there percentage was in the poupulation of the third reich? Well, known guys like AH himself or Eichmann were from there and a lot of middle ranged guys were no native germans, also a lot of war crimes were done by people from the baltic states.

Don't missunderstand me. I'm not trying to clean the dirty laundry of germany, just pointing out, that other states have also spots on their waistes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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Profy_le_Troll
06-02-2004, 09:02 AM
All nations who took part in WWII have dirty laundries.

Now back on the topic. Why only german sub ? Because Germany was the only one who planed a real U-boats campaign. All other did nothing or close. Oh, of course they had submarines and some of them went to action but nothing compared to the U-boats waffe.

Redwine
06-02-2004, 09:53 AM
Hey........ guys......

Forget nazis and non nazis........

Just enjoy the sim.......... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Thomsen9U
06-02-2004, 10:04 AM
Yep, back to business! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

And into historic discussions! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
@ Profy
There was nothing succesfuller than the US Submarine campaign in the second world war. The US-uboats wiped out the japanese merchant fleet completly. At the end of the war they were out of targets and hunted Sampans, because they sunk every ship en route to Japan.

In the brilliant manual of Silent Service II (released in the early 90s! (a further hint to our beloved publisher http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif))you will find the facts.

@ The community
I never understood why the Japanese did not build a convoy-system like the Allies did in the Atlantic. Too much harbours and travel routes and too less escorts?
Who has an explanation for that?

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Profy_le_Troll
06-02-2004, 11:32 AM
LOL US submarines didn't do anything. Killing alone merchant ships is not action. Japan navy never put in place convoy, never gave escort to their merchant ship. So No real danger. The us submariners never faced what the german submariners have faced in the atlantic and north Sea.

US submarines kills during WWII :

US subs sank 201 warships and close to 1100 merchant ships, reducing the Japanese merchant navy from 6 million to 1.8 million. What was left were mainly small wooden ships sailing in costal waters.

So 4 200 000 for all the war

German submarines kills during WWII :

1940 : 3 991 000 T a little less than 1000 ships)
1941 : 4 320 000 T (a little more than 1000 ships)
1942 : 5 210 000 T until may 1943 (merely 1300 ships)
after may 1943 to the end close to 1 000 000 T

And you try to say "There was nothing succesfuller than the US Submarine campaign in the second world war" Let me laugh...

Japan never made convoy because they thought there was no glory to do that. Like their submarines, they never really faced the US convoy because their U-boot received the order not to engage them but only warship. So Japan wasted his submarines forces making them hunt warship and not convoy. If they followed the german tactics, war would have been much more harder to win in the pacific.

[This message was edited by Profy_le_Troll on Wed June 02 2004 at 11:20 AM.]

LurchiP
06-02-2004, 12:17 PM
Hi all,
Booky, you should give SH3 a chance when it turns out to be good, even if you prefer US subs or destroyers afterwards. By making SH3 a financial success, we may get US subs. I'm german, but i would like to see US, japanese, british and italian subs too, or even french -especially "Surcouf" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif.

SailorSteve
06-02-2004, 10:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Profy_le_Troll:
LOL US submarines didn't do anything. Killing alone merchant ships is not action. Japan navy never put in place convoy, never gave escort to their merchant ship. So No real danger. The us submariners never faced what the german submariners have faced in the atlantic and north Sea.

US submarines kills during WWII :

US subs sank 201 warships and close to 1100 merchant ships, reducing the Japanese merchant navy from 6 million to 1.8 million. What was left were mainly small wooden ships sailing in costal waters.

So 4 200 000 for all the war

German submarines kills during WWII :

1940 : 3 991 000 T a little less than 1000 ships)
1941 : 4 320 000 T (a little more than 1000 ships)
1942 : 5 210 000 T until may 1943 (merely 1300 ships)
after may 1943 to the end close to 1 000 000 T

And you try to say "There was nothing succesfuller than the US Submarine campaign in the second world war" Let me laugh...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Success is determined by results. The result in the Pacific was that the U.S. submarines destroyed the Japanese merchant marine and strangled their empire. The result in the Atlantic was that the Allies built more ships, sank more U-boats and won the war. Which one was more successful? Laugh all you want.

Also, the Germans had two more years to sink the tonnage they did, and if the Japanese had a convoy system the U.S. would indeed have lost more subs, but they also would have scored a lot more tonnage.

In case you think that I think the U.S. was better, I actually believe they came out about even. The U-boat sailors really did have a tough time of it, and were phenomenally successful considering what they were up against.

I really think arguing about who was tougher, or better is fruitless. I like a good U-boat sim (or movie, or book) and I like a good Pacific sim (or movie, or book). I would also love to see mods and add-ons that let us run Italian, Japanese, Dutch and even French subs. Surcouf forever!

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Thomsen9U
06-03-2004, 12:57 AM
@ Sailor Steve

Nothing more to add, well responded! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

@Profy
As Steve said above, the result at the end counts. And although I'm a german, I want to point out that the devellopment of the US-uboat arm is realy something what you can call a strategic campaign.
Look with which uboat-types they started and look which models and numbers of boats they had at the end. That was realy a big and a SUCCESFULL campaign! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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Kongo Otto
06-23-2004, 05:50 AM
@Profy le Troll
One thing you forget is that the Kriegsmarine was trained since 1935 for U-Boatwarfare,while the US Navy had to build up a Sub Service after
Dec 7th 1941.And saying "Sinking Merchant Ships is no action" is just simple ignorance,because
as the German Subs showed up at the US East Coast for Operation Paukenschlag,sinking Merchant Ships was quite action,same was sinking Japanese Merchants action,because the Imp.Jap.Navy had to deploy Ships and aircraft for SubHunting,Ships which were urgently needed on other Places.
The US Sub Campaign in the Pacific is a Masterpiece of Strategic Planing,because the Japanese Economy had never the strenght to build
the same Number of Ships to renew the lostones.

A Force of 2 percent of the US Navy accounted 55% of the Japanese Maritime Loss including one third of their Warships.
263 US Subs with 16000 Men lost 52 Boats and 3617 Men.At 20%,it was the highest mortality rate of every US Service during WW 2.

The US Sub Service had the Empire of Japan isolated long before the end of WW2.They were unable to supply their Army in the field or even sustain the economy of their home Islands.
Even at the highest Sinking Ratio from the German U-Boats.The German UBoats never reached their Target,
the isolation of Great Britan,

And here just a few of their "no action" Subs:


USS Bluefish 146049 tons
USS Bonefish 182270 tons
USS Bowfin 176606 tons
USS Flasher 100321 tons
USS Spearfish 133753 tons
USS Swordfish 130362 tons
USS Sawfish 97848 tons
USS Tang 93824 tons
USS Barb 96628 tons
USS Bergall 85032 tons


BTW: No Big difference to the German Uboats were the Orders of the US Sub Commanders.
First sink Merchant Ships,then sink Warships.
And thats what Subs are for.


Regards from Germany

Kongo Otto

[This message was edited by Kongo Otto on Wed June 23 2004 at 05:00 AM.]

[This message was edited by Kongo Otto on Wed June 23 2004 at 05:14 AM.]

RedTerex
06-23-2004, 07:24 AM
Quote; "...To new to the boards to make a difference,
Booky201..."

Wrong ! Everyone who posts on these forums can make a difference. all views are read and generally responded to Booky201.

You ARE important and your voice counts.

I myself have only been a member of this community for a few months, but so what. We are all entitled to be heard and our opinions aired.

So that just leaves me to say welcome to SHIII forums. keep on posting ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

regards

RedTerex