President Bush's Resume....:|(don't read if ya like him)

[Jojo9999]

RESUME

GEORGE W. BUSH

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

Washington, DC 20520



EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:

Law Enforcement:

I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for

driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled

guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license

suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has

been "lost" and is not available.

Military:

I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I

refused to take a drug test or answer any questions

about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air

National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in

Vietnam.

College:

I graduated from Yale University with a low C average.

I was a cheerleader.

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:

I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in

the oil business in Midland,Texas, in 1975.

I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in

Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold

all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team

in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer

money.

With the help of my father and our friends in the oil

industry(including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected

governor of Texas.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS



I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil

companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the

Union. During my tenure, Houston replaced Los

Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.

I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the

tune of billions in borrowed money.

I set the record for the most executions by any

governor in American history.

With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida,

and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I

became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:



I am the first President in U.S. history to enter

office with a criminal record.

I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing

cost of over one billion dollars per week.

I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted

the U.S. Treasury.

I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit

in U.S. history.

I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies

filed in any 12-month period.

I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a

12-month period.

I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the

history of the U.S.stock market. In my first year in

office, over 2 million Americans lost

their jobs and that trend continues every month.

I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the

richest of any administration in U.S. history. My

"poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice,

has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips

by a U.S.President.

I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for

receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of

my best friends,Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest

corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S.History,

Enron.

My political party used Enron private jets and

corporate attorneys to

assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during

my election decision. I have protected my friends at

Enron and Halliburton against investigation

or prosecution.

More time and money was spent investigating the Monica

Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one

of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.

I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S.

history and refused to intervene when corruption

involving the oil industry was revealed. I

presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S.

history. I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted

criminals to be awarded government contracts.

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration

than any President in U.S. history.

I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the

largest bureaucracy in

the history of the United States government.

I've broken more international treaties than any

President in U.S. history.

I am the first President in U.S. history to have the

United Nations

remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.

I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.

I refused to allow inspector's access to U.S.

"prisoners of war"

detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the

Geneva Convention.

I am the first President in history to refuse United

Nations election

inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).

I set the record for fewest numbers of press

conferences of any President since the advent of

television.

I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in

any one-year period.

After taking off the entire month of August, I

presided over the worst security failure in U.S.

history.

I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the

World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later

made the U.S. the most hated country in the

world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world

history.

I have set the all-time record for most people

worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues

(15 million people), shattering the record

for protests against any person in the history of

mankind.

I am the first President in U.S. history to order an

unprovoked,pre-emptive attack and the military

occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so

against the will of the United Nations, the majority

of U.S. citizens, and the world community.

I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and

support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops

and their families -- in wartime.

In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our

reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on

our British friends.

I am the first President in history to have a majority

of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest

threat to world peace and security.

I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical

Bunker Buster," a WMD.

I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring

Osama Bin Laden [sic] to justice.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:



All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now

in my father's library,

sealed and unavailable for public view.

All records of SEC investigations into my insider

trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in

secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my

Vice-President, attended regarding public energy

policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for

public review.

PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004.

PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY VOTER YOU KNOW

Green Winds
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BTW.........Have a Carrot.

When The Ax Walked Into The Forest The Trees Said "Look, The Handle Is One Of Us"...Alice Walker

"Old Age Is No Place For Sissies"...Betty Davis (who else)?

[Jojo9999]

RESUME

GEORGE W. BUSH

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

Washington, DC 20520



EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:

Law Enforcement:

I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for

driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled

guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license

suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has

been "lost" and is not available.

Military:

I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I

refused to take a drug test or answer any questions

about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air

National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in

Vietnam.

College:

I graduated from Yale University with a low C average.

I was a cheerleader.

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:

I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in

the oil business in Midland,Texas, in 1975.

I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in

Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold

all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team

in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer

money.

With the help of my father and our friends in the oil

industry(including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected

governor of Texas.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS



I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil

companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the

Union. During my tenure, Houston replaced Los

Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.

I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the

tune of billions in borrowed money.

I set the record for the most executions by any

governor in American history.

With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida,

and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I

became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:



I am the first President in U.S. history to enter

office with a criminal record.

I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing

cost of over one billion dollars per week.

I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted

the U.S. Treasury.

I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit

in U.S. history.

I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies

filed in any 12-month period.

I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a

12-month period.

I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the

history of the U.S.stock market. In my first year in

office, over 2 million Americans lost

their jobs and that trend continues every month.

I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the

richest of any administration in U.S. history. My

"poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice,

has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips

by a U.S.President.

I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for

receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of

my best friends,Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest

corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S.History,

Enron.

My political party used Enron private jets and

corporate attorneys to

assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during

my election decision. I have protected my friends at

Enron and Halliburton against investigation

or prosecution.

More time and money was spent investigating the Monica

Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one

of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.

I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S.

history and refused to intervene when corruption

involving the oil industry was revealed. I

presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S.

history. I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted

criminals to be awarded government contracts.

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration

than any President in U.S. history.

I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the

largest bureaucracy in

the history of the United States government.

I've broken more international treaties than any

President in U.S. history.

I am the first President in U.S. history to have the

United Nations

remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.

I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.

I refused to allow inspector's access to U.S.

"prisoners of war"

detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the

Geneva Convention.

I am the first President in history to refuse United

Nations election

inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).

I set the record for fewest numbers of press

conferences of any President since the advent of

television.

I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in

any one-year period.

After taking off the entire month of August, I

presided over the worst security failure in U.S.

history.

I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the

World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later

made the U.S. the most hated country in the

world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world

history.

I have set the all-time record for most people

worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues

(15 million people), shattering the record

for protests against any person in the history of

mankind.

I am the first President in U.S. history to order an

unprovoked,pre-emptive attack and the military

occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so

against the will of the United Nations, the majority

of U.S. citizens, and the world community.

I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and

support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops

and their families -- in wartime.

In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our

reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on

our British friends.

I am the first President in history to have a majority

of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest

threat to world peace and security.

I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical

Bunker Buster," a WMD.

I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring

Osama Bin Laden [sic] to justice.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:



All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now

in my father's library,

sealed and unavailable for public view.

All records of SEC investigations into my insider

trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in

secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my

Vice-President, attended regarding public energy

policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for

public review.

PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004.

PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY VOTER YOU KNOW

Green Winds
http://www.wannabebigforums.com/images/smilies/indian.gif


BTW.........Have a Carrot.

When The Ax Walked Into The Forest The Trees Said "Look, The Handle Is One Of Us"...Alice Walker

"Old Age Is No Place For Sissies"...Betty Davis (who else)?

[kreeden]

Maybe so , but he has also brought the value of the Canadian dollar to it's highest point on .... a long time . { I don't know how long but I'm guessing close on 30 years } Just think of all the tourism the States would be getting right now if it were not for the fact that Canadians are afriad that if they do get across the border , they willn't get back .


BTW I didn't know the Goerge was a cheerleader .

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I would rather soar with the eagles then bicker with harpies
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" And you will remember what it is to know the warmth of an animal's heart."
from an old tale told by an old people

[Jojo9999]

He is also quite insane. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif for if you listen to his state of the Union Address (why they call it that) you will see that he, and those who back him, are MAD! Very Scarey. And I have seen some Terror in my Lives. Aho.

Green Winds
http://www.wannabebigforums.com/images/smilies/indian.gif


BTW.........Have a Carrot.

When The Ax Walked Into The Forest The Trees Said "Look, The Handle Is One Of Us"...Alice Walker

"Old Age Is No Place For Sissies"...Betty Davis (who else)?

[MDS_Geist]

And while this "resume" is amusing, it is also neither wholly accurate or written by someone who has any interest other than attacking the President. Partisan politics are a waste of time and money.

In a free society, not all are guilty but all are responsible

[kreeden]

What Geist ? Are you saying he wasn't a cheerleader ???? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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I would rather soar with the eagles then bicker with harpies
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" And you will remember what it is to know the warmth of an animal's heart."
from an old tale told by an old people

[rwwllms]

I bet he looked cute in that little skirt. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

[MDS_Geist]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kreeden:
What Geist ? Are you saying he wasn't a cheerleader ???? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey now, there is nothing wrong with being a male cheerleader! If you think about it, it's really a pretty sweet deal for a straight guy - after all, just remember where he'll be putting his hands while the spectators are freezing their butts off in the stands. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

In a free society, not all are guilty but all are responsible

[kreeden]

lol , I know there are male cheerleaders { that don't use pom-poms }. It is just the thought of Bush in a .... or Bush walking and chewing gum at the same time for that matter . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif lol

Thing is , I think everyone knows that it was written as a joke ... only there is enough truth to make it scary .

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I would rather soar with the eagles then bicker with harpies
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" And you will remember what it is to know the warmth of an animal's heart."
from an old tale told by an old people

[MDS_Geist]

Just remember that the male cheerleaders have far warmer hands than you do when you're sitting in the bleachers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I would hope that people know that this is a joke, but sadly there are enough people out there who aren't very objective or informed. Unfortunately some of them are high eleceted officials, but... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

In a free society, not all are guilty but all are responsible

[kreeden]

lol , yea you said it Geist . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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I would rather soar with the eagles then bicker with harpies
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" And you will remember what it is to know the warmth of an animal's heart."
from an old tale told by an old people

[Jojo9999]

Of course you guys are forgetting the obvious reason whey girls/women become cheer leaders...they get to see men in all stages of undress and bent over... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif...and you can take that any way that you want!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

Green Winds
http://www.wannabebigforums.com/images/smilies/indian.gif


BTW.........Have a Carrot.

When The Ax Walked Into The Forest The Trees Said "Look, The Handle Is One Of Us"...Alice Walker

"Old Age Is No Place For Sissies"...Betty Davis (who else)?

[Speedyserd]

Without the skirt:

http://www.funnycelebpics.com/items/39.gif

With the skirt:

http://members.rogers.com/smiledot/img00206.jpg

"Don't look before you leap. It'll ruin the surprise"

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/atil/forum/saute3.gif

[Jojo9999]

LOL Speedy...Hey! he handles that thing in his mouth pretty good!
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
Maybe that is why he is always sticking his foot in it now.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Green Winds
http://www.wannabebigforums.com/images/smilies/indian.gif


BTW.........Have a Carrot.

When The Ax Walked Into The Forest The Trees Said "Look, The Handle Is One Of Us"...Alice Walker

"Old Age Is No Place For Sissies"...Betty Davis (who else)?

[kreeden]

lol

I thought it was his foot . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nice pics Speedy . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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I would rather soar with the eagles then bicker with harpies
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" And you will remember what it is to know the warmth of an animal's heart."
from an old tale told by an old people

[Speedyserd]

(takes a bow)
Thank you thank you... I was hoping to find one of him in a skirt... looks kinda cute in it, don't yah think? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Too bad though his skirt outfit doesn't have a 'Y' on it... but he does have the right colors (blue and white for those Elis in New Haven)

"Don't look before you leap. It'll ruin the surprise"

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/atil/forum/saute3.gif

[rwwllms]

Two days after the Democrats Primary in my state Bush was here giving a speech. Purely a political move. He obviously was trying to steal the spotlight from the Democrats. His grandstanding was a dumb move though and will probably hurt him more than help him. We ain't stupid, and we resent that he thinks we are and can get away with a stunt like that. Once again he talked about why we had to go to Iraq and why we should stay there. Who's he trying to convince, himself? The more he runs his mouth about it, the more idiotic he looks.
"Methinks he doth protest too much"
The harder he tries to convince us, the more suspicious we get. Maybe one night when Cheney is putting Bush to bed he should read to him the fable about the boy who cried wolf.

[Jojo9999]

when bush talked about The Evil Doers, he must have been looking at Cheney...for he has NO LIGHT WHAT SO EVER, in those beady, dark, scarey eyes....and people...I have seen some Terror in my Life...and that which would be called Evil...

Green Winds
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BTW.........Have a Carrot.

When The Ax Walked Into The Forest The Trees Said "Look, The Handle Is One Of Us"...Alice Walker

"Old Age Is No Place For Sissies"...Betty Davis (who else)?

[Jojo9999]

Lizards! Thats all I am saying. Lizards. Each one must figure it out for themselves..yet Lizards. Illuminati. Lizards.

Green Winds
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BTW.........Have a Carrot.

When The Ax Walked Into The Forest The Trees Said "Look, The Handle Is One Of Us"...Alice Walker

"Old Age Is No Place For Sissies"...Betty Davis (who else)?

[Urdu]

Of course one must respond...
Let's see:
We fought a war in Serbia, Bosnia-Herzigovina, Kosovo, Montenegro for... the WMD's, the oil, the terrorist threat, etc? Which one?
Could 9/11 and all the aftermath have been prevented? Perhaps... if the previous president had been competent in military matters and used bombers on a certain valley in Afghanistan instead of using cruise missiles.
Would the economy have gotten this bad if the previous president & company not raised interest rates at least six times in one year starting in 1998? Probably not.

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[Homer6]

I know my memory isn't the best, but I don't remember hearing that the terrorists in the two planes that hit the Twin Towers were from Iraq. I seem to remember those people being from Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia starts with an "I"? Oh, wait, those people weren't reported to have WMDs at the time, guess that explains things.

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[rwwllms]

Since we steal, uh, I mean buy, our oil from Saudi Arabia we can't touch them. Iraq has no oil to speak of and it's near Saudi Arabia, so what the hell, let's attack Iraq.

[Homer6]

So it's Iaudi Arabia now? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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[BobF]

Iraq is one of the big oil reserves in that area. Probably second to Saudi's oil reserve.

If all folks really believed this to be a joke it would be funny. There are some that believe this to be all true. I have marked some parts that I know are wrong, lies, political, or otherwise not true.

I tried to stay off this thread but it is now time to present the other side of the story.
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RESUME

GEORGE W. BUSH

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

Washington, DC 20520



EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:

Law Enforcement:

I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.

Military:

I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in vietnam.

***Humourous but a lie. Bush fulfilled his ANG obligation and recieved a honorable separation. The records are public.

College:

I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader.

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:

I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in Midland,Texas, in 1975.

I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.

***All sports teams do this regardless of political party.

With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry(including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS



I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.

I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history.

***More governors should enforce the laws.

With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

***This is a real twist of the facts. In the US you win by electoral college votes, not the popular votes. Your vote selects the electoral college delegates.


ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:


I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.

***And the savings of over 10,000 lives murdered each year by the criminals running these governments.

***The previous administration also inserted our troops in Bosnia/Kosovo area and we still have troops there along with the expenses.

I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.

***The economy was falling apart in the 1999 and 2000 years of the previous administration. There was never a surplus of billions that became a deficit of billions the day after inaugeration. Surplus and deficit are projections, not reality.

I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.

***Unfortunately true but until you can stop the congress of both sides from wasting money on pork and other unecessary spending it will continue.

I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

***Problems left over from the previous administration.

I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S.stock market. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

***Again, the stock market started failing in 1999 and really went bad in 2000. The continued failure of the market and loss of jobs started in the previous administration and since then jobs are slowly being created by the improved economy.

I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a U.S.President.

I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends,Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S.History,

Enron.

My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.

I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution.

***This statement is false. These folks have been or are being taken through the courts.

More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.

I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption
involving the oil industry was revealed.

I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history. I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history.

I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.

I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.

I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.

I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.

I refused to allow inspector's access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).

I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of
television.

I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period.

After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S.
history.

I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

***This is an exaggeration. The folks that 'hate' us are the ones that were making the most money by taking Iraq oil for profit. We went through the entire UN routine, got a 100% vote to stop Iraq, then certain european countries changed their minds when they found the US was serious and they were going to lose lots of money they were stealing from Iraq.

I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of
mankind.

I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.

***Not true, see above about UN efforts. The majority of US citizens supported the effort. The world community only wants our money and troops after they have messed up their situation and don't know how to dig their way out.

I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families -- in wartime.


***This is also a lie. The veterans budget has been increased. The twist of the facts is that the increase was only half of what was asked for. This is not a cut.

In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.

***Not a true statement.

I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

***Maybe so, but Clinton and Bush both have commited troops to europe and other areas for the safety and security of europe and the middle east. If the folks over in that part of the world consider us a threat - maybe the US should just pull our troops, money, and support for the UN.

I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.

***It is a big bomb but I don't think it quite makes WMD.

I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden [sic] to justice.

***This is true. We have thousands of US troops in Afghanistan working on that problem. I don't see how any of the other parties involved could do better.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:



All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.

All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004.

PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY VOTER YOU KNOW

[MDS_Geist]

Actually Homer, there is a substantial concern regarding Saudi Arabia and WMD's. The Saudis are on record (as are the Egyptians - the largest beneficiary of US foreign aid) as saying that they are highly interested in pursuing a nuclear weapons programme and they will not hesitate to do so. They don't really have the capital to buy anything, but many nations seem more than willing to continue to honor their credit even though they are broke. Considering the volatility of that country and how vituperative their anti-western rehtoric has become, this is a serious concern.

In a free society, not all are guilty but all are responsible

[Homer6]

I don't question the need of concern, I question the US being the police force for the entire world, and believing that's what others in the world also want.

The US government can call their actions anything they want, and do, but unless they are specifically asked to do so the US should not enter any country unless that country poses an immediate provable threat.

The US went into Iraq and Afghanistan using the attack on the Twin Towers as the reason, chasing terrorists. Why only after the hits on the towers did the US act, when they knew all that was going on in those two countries? Could it be the attack was just what the US needed as an excuse to go into those countries, one that a majority of the world would agree with?

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BobF:


If all folks really believed this to be a joke it would be funny. There are some that believe this to be all true.

As I took it as a joke , I will continue to do so . However Bob , there is one thing that I would like to point out ...

Military:

I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in vietnam.

***Humourous but a lie. Bush fulfilled his ANG obligation and recieved a honorable separation. The records are public.

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[Urdu]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Homer6:
I don't question the need of concern, I question the US being the police force for the entire world, and believing that's what others in the world also want.

*They really want it after a murdering dictator takes over http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif*

The US government can call their actions anything they want, and do, but unless they are specifically asked to do so the US should not enter any country unless that country poses an immediate provable threat.

*I'd say that after 9/11, Afghanistan posed an immediate provable threat.*

The US went into Iraq and Afghanistan using the attack on the Twin Towers as the reason, chasing terrorists. Why only after the hits on the towers did the US act, when they knew all that was going on in those two countries? Could it be the attack was just what the US needed as an excuse to go into those countries, one that a majority of the world would agree with?

*The us did make cruise missile attacks in Afghanistan during the Clinton years. Wonder why...
We also made cruise missile attacks and cruise missile/bomber attacks on Iraq during the same time period. There must have been SOME reason why.*

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[Urdu]

Maybe not a resume, but interesting.

February 7, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST
Kerry's Special Friends
By DAVID BROOKS

John Kerry has been railing against the special interests, and I don't
think that's very nice because it implies that some people's interests
are not so special. I like to think that everybody's interests are
special in their own way.

What's more, I think Kerry knows this, because if you look over his long
career, you see that he loves all our interests, big and small, near or
far. For example, a Chinese businesswoman named Liu Chaoying dreamed of
having her company listed on a U.S. stock exchange. That's certainly a
special dream.

Maybe as a little girl she would come home from school, gather up her
little dollies and tell them about her dream of ringing the bell to
start the trading day, or of having little Lucite tombstones on her desk
to mark her mergers and acquisitions. Maybe some of the other little
girls in school told her she'd never have a company on a U.S. exchange,
because you know how cruel little kids can be.

But she had an interest, and to her it was the most specialest interest
in the world. And she kept at it. And that cute little girl grew up to
become a lieutenant colonel in China's People's Liberation Army, which
is a very special army, even measured against the armies of other human
rights-violating dictatorships. And what's more, she had a $300,000 bank
account with funds supplied by the head of Chinese intelligence, which
is certainly quite special indeed.

And Liu came to America in search of her dream, for this is the nation
of dreams. And she went to see a most special man named Johnny Chung.
And in July 1996, according to Newsweek, Chung took Liu to see his
special friend John Kerry about her dream, and Kerry recognized its
specialness. So his aides faxed over a letter to the S.E.C. about the
dream, and the very next day Liu and Chung had a private briefing with a
senior S.E.C. official about making her special dream come true.

And then a few weeks after that, Johnny Chung threw a fund-raiser for
John Kerry in Beverly Hills. And John Kerry came away with $10,000 in
contributions, and I like to think they were very special contributions.
I like to think they were written on special designer checks, maybe with
rainbows or kittens or Chinese long-range missile designs shaded on the
back, because special dreams deserve special checks, and when a man as
special as John Kerry takes up an interest, I think that makes it a
special interest all by itself.

Liu Chaoying's interest was not the only interest John Kerry took a
special interest in. According to The Associated Press, Kerry took a
special interest in the insurance giant American International Group.
When Senator John McCain proposed legislation that would have ended a
federal contracting loophole benefiting A.I.G., Kerry did not look away,
as others might have done. A loophole may not seem like much to you and
me, but to A.I.G. it was a very special loophole, the cuddly kind of
loophole you can hold under the blankets and tell your secrets to late
at night. And according to The A.P., John Kerry preserved the little
loophole. And by sheer coincidence, A.I.G. donated $30,000 to help start
Kerry's presidential campaign.

While sitting on the commerce and finance committees, John Kerry has
seen many interests, and you could forgive him if he didn't think they
were all special. But Kerry has raised more money from Washington
lobbyists than any other senator. He's raised over $30 million over the
past nine years, and you just ask the folks in the telecom industry if
he doesn't make them feel special.

You just ask David Paul, one of the big figures in the savings and loan
scandal, if Kerry didn't make him feel special. You just ask the
high-tech executive Bob Majumder how special Kerry made him feel, at
least until Majumder was charged with 40 counts of conspiracy, witness
tampering, fraud, tax evasion and illegal campaign contributions. You
just ask the law firms, the brokerage houses, the oil companies, the
H.M.O.'s and the drug companies, which have donated tens of thousands of
dollars to Kerry.

Oh, he sometimes pretends that he doesn't care about our special
interests. He puts on that callous populist facade. But deep down he
cares. Maybe he cares too much. When he's out on the stump saying
otherwise, he's just being a big old phony.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Urdu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Homer6:
I don't question the need of concern, I question the US being the police force for the entire world, and believing that's what others in the world also want.

*They really want it after a murdering dictator takes over http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif*

***What about when that "murdering dictator" is installed by the USA?***

The US government can call their actions anything they want, and do, but unless they are specifically asked to do so the US should not enter any country unless that country poses an immediate provable threat.

*I'd say that after 9/11, Afghanistan posed an immediate provable threat.*

***Afghanistan??? A country where it took them 3 days to blow up some inert stone statues? ROFL. ****

The US went into Iraq and Afghanistan using the attack on the Twin Towers as the reason, chasing terrorists. Why only after the hits on the towers did the US act, when they knew all that was going on in those two countries? Could it be the attack was just what the US needed as an excuse to go into those countries, one that a majority of the world would agree with?

*The us did make cruise missile attacks in Afghanistan during the Clinton years. Wonder why...
We also made cruise missile attacks and cruise missile/bomber attacks on Iraq during the same time period. There must have been SOME reason why.*

***So your country attacks someone elses country where there is no war declared and you think this is ok? Sounds like a terrorist action to me****

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[BobF]

The opposite to your comments is that these terrorist do not announce their attacks. They do not call it a military type war. They just blow up innocent women and children, including those from Australia. Never a declaration of war, just big explosions. Having diplomates and hotels and government buildings being attacked in foreign countries does not require a declaration of war for retaliation to take place.

In 1998 the US president and it's congress declared Iraq to be a dangerous place and should be removed. (Not exact words) Then after the twin towers area was destroyed the US president and it's congress 'did declare war against terrorism' and all countries that support terrorism.

[This message was edited by BobF on Mon February 09 2004 at 07:17 AM.]

[Jojo9999]

SBob: Do you honestly believe in your heart that Unites States, which by thier own definition has "Searchers" everywhere, yea into the unlimited space...did not KNOW about the planes that crashed into the Towers? You think that no radar picked up these planes before they reached their designation? ANYWHERE?

See, I believe that this country knew all about it, help promote it and stood by while innocent victums died to promote the Agenda by World Government...yes l984 has been in full swing for quite a while now...Bush does what he is told or...the same thing that befell John Kennedy, his brother and Martin Luther King would happen to him...yes, our government killed them..is there any doubt? Even Now?

Yet, people this country is more then the wicked, sick leaders...it is the people with their hopes, and love of life and a spirit that the Agenda will not ever crush, even with their Matrix of Lies. For that is the True Matrix, generated by the Illusions of Thyme, and controlled by who sits on the Apex of the False Pyramid..the illuminiti.

..and all of this by a mere carrot giver. Aho!

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BTW.........Have a Carrot.

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"Old Age Is No Place For Sissies"...Betty Davis (who else)?

[MDS_Geist]

JoJo, you do realize how paranoid and delusional that sounds do you not?

Regarding radar - civilian radar these days works rather differently than most civilians think. It is designed to pick on transponder signals from the transponder carried aboard all aircraft rather than the older and more stereotypical system of "skin painting." Turn off or alter than transponder code, and the that plane has for all intents and purposes vanished from the majority of civilian radar systems. We generally do not use military radars inside our own borders since there has not been any need to do so for quite some time.

So no, the planes were not necessarily on radar. Even if those planes had been tracked all of the way in (and I think that they were), it wouldn't have made much difference. There were no planes flying BARCAP that day, nor any reason why there should have been. Nor did we have any AAA systems in place at that time. We're also rather hesitant to shoot down civilian airliners under any circumstances - particularly our own and particularly over populated areas.

Yes, I do believe that the 9/11 terrorist attacks were unprovoked attacks on the US from a group of murderers who want the entier world to either accept their particularly repressive form of violent Islam or die.

In a free society, not all are guilty but all are responsible

[kreeden]

This started off as kinda funny ... and everyone gets all serious . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Well ...


I do believe that there is a real danger of unprovoked attacks by a group of murderers who want the entier world to either accept their particularly repressive form of violent so-called democracy or die . After all , it is better to be dead then red , which was the reason the guy was in power to begin with , wasn't it ? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

But not to worry . The " evil empire " is dieing . Yes it is . It has cancer and is dieing from within . It can't even feed it's self anymore . The whole world doesn't have the resourses to feed it . Of course it may take awhile for it to die . Chances are it will out last me and everyone of us here . But Nature will takes it's course . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

So lets PAR-TEE http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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[rwwllms]

Which evil empire are you refering to? The Bush one or the bin Laden one? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

[gaberax]

Hard for many to find any humor in this topic. Lots of things that I'm worried about as a US citizen. We were attacked. And that threat still hangs over our heads like the sword of Damocles. Fear has been fanned and whipped up by the media and the warring political parties. And, in typical American fashion we (the people) are inundated by mass media with nightmare scenarios concerning the "NEXT" attack, which will be worse (nuclear, biological, chemical, pick-your-poison.) Sometimes I wonder if the TERRORISTS aren't already winning.
All in all, I think Americans (do not read "US Government") are slowly starting to get a grip back on reality and are learning to live with the knowledge and the threat. That is why there is so much political contortions going on in the US right now.
Regardless of my opinion, I also think a lot of Americans put their trust in the political system, the President and his decisions. For many people, there is, after all, some comfort thinking that he is in charge and he and the system are doing their best. Although I personally have a lot of reservations in that regard (and by no means enamored of the current adminstration), I respect the opinions and beliefs of others.
The rhetoric is getting a little tiring. No more "In your face" political sniping.
I think the "President" bashing should be minimized in this forum. It only invites discord and partisanship and tends to piss people off. There are whole forums and chatrooms dedicated to that kind of discourse. If that's what you want, go find it there.
The troll has spoken....

Grrr...

[Jojo9999]

Geist wrote:


posted Mon February 09 2004 05:40 PM
JoJo, you do realize how paranoid and delusional that sounds do you not?

Regarding radar - civilian radar these days works rather differently than most civilians think. It is designed to pick on transponder signals from the transponder carried aboard all aircraft rather than the older and more stereotypical system of "skin painting." Turn off or alter than transponder code, and the that plane has for all intents and purposes vanished from the majority of civilian radar systems. We generally do not use military radars inside our own borders since there has not been any need to do so for quite some time.

So no, the planes were not necessarily on radar. Even if those planes had been tracked all of the way in (and I think that they were), it wouldn't have made much difference. There were no planes flying BARCAP that day, nor any reason why there should have been. Nor did we have any AAA systems in place at that time. We're also rather hesitant to shoot down civilian airliners under any circumstances - particularly our own and particularly over populated areas.

Yes, I do believe that the 9/11 terrorist attacks were unprovoked attacks on the US from a group of murderers who want the entier world to either accept their particularly repressive form of violent Islam or die.


THE REAL QUESTION IS: DO YOU KNOW HOW NAIVE YOU SOUND?

I not particularly fond of people saying that I am paranoid or delusional Geist! So cool it, or better still go back to POR whence you hailed from and give them your opinion as it is not wanted or needed here. At least not by me. I have spoken, and I will not unspeak. Aho!

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[Jojo9999]

Someplace within your circle Gab, you must be a diplomate of some kind...for you do hath words that can calm and sooth an oil that is burning.

Thank you for your input. I have resigned from this thread. Aho! and will not give of my wisdom nor experience to this topic again. Aho!

Look for me on other not so volitale threads that I and maybe Keith will be on...maybe even dance The Apricot on it...until then I bid you Ado. Aho!

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[kreeden]

Gab , I do understand what you are saying , and I am not without feelings here .

It all comes down to a point of view . Personally , I don't think it is the terrorist { or what Bush call terrorist } , I think the problem is the media and Bush's government . I have a hard time respecting a government that doesn't respect my government nor my rights . Sorry .

Gee , you got me all serious again . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I do respect you and the American people though . { as a whole } So ok . I will try to be nice . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[MDS_Geist]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
_THE REAL QUESTION IS: DO YOU KNOW HOW NAIVE YOU SOUND?_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why yes, I am aware of the fact that apparently a reasoned and measured response that does not depend on wild conspiracy theories does sound "naive" to some people. I am also aware of the fact that there are scores of people who prefer to blame entities or groups that they perceive as powerful for all of the ills under the sun rather than actually deal with those problems.

Neither one is particularly relevant, particularly since you seem so set on not only indicting the US, but then assailing those who disagree with you. If you had a shred of relevant evidence to back up your position that might be useful, instead of posting conspiracy theories that are as valid as those being spread in Saudi newspapers blaming the Jews.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
I not particularly fond of people saying that I am paranoid or delusional Geist! So cool it, or better still go back to POR whence you hailed from and give them your opinion as it is not wanted or needed here. At least not by me. I have spoken, and I will not unspeak. Aho!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Always a pleasure to engage in dialogue with an open mind, or even a literate one. I asked a question and did not make an accusation. What you posted does indeed sound paranoid and delusional - just as it does when published in Al-Manar or Al-Azhar.

Your inability or unwillingness to make distinctions between the two has been a problem in the past and unfortunately appears to still be a problem. You were not personally insulted, and your response is quite disproportionate and unreasonable.

Telling a person to leave who disagrees with you is particularly immature, particularly after you are given a response to refute part of your supposition. Now either you're capable of supporting your statements or you are not. If not, then admit that you're simply going on supposition. If you're capable of backing up what you said, please do so.

In a free society, not all are guilty but all are responsible

[Homer6]

What happened to the Twin Towers was incoceivable, at one time, and is not something that is being looked for. If this is going to be the guage for imminent threat then it isn't the same one I grew up with.

Born not too many years after WWII, real young during Korea, remember the Berlin wall going up--after it was just barbed wire, Cubian missle crisis, then Viet Nam. Those to me are imminent threats, especially nukes in Cuba.

If what's happening in Iraq and the surrounding areas is such an imminent threat, why isn't more of the world involved with putting a stop to it? Why are others in the world so caught up in their own problems that they can't see what a terrible threat it is?

I think the world needs to adopt the attitude of the Alien in The Day The Earth Stood Still.

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Geist Said:

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Why yes, I am aware of the fact that apparently a reasoned and measured response that does not depend on wild conspiracy theories does sound "naive" to some people. I am also aware of the fact that there are scores of people who prefer to blame entities or groups that they perceive as powerful for all of the ills under the sun rather than actually deal with those problems.

Neither one is particularly relevant, particularly since you seem so set on not only indicting the US, but then assailing those who disagree with you. If you had a shred of relevant evidence to back up your position that might be useful, instead of posting conspiracy theories that are as valid as those being spread in Saudi newspapers blaming the Jews.


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I not particularly fond of people saying that I am paranoid or delusional Geist! So cool it, or better still go back to POR whence you hailed from and give them your opinion as it is not wanted or needed here. At least not by me. I have spoken, and I will not unspeak. Aho!
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Always a pleasure to engage in dialogue with an open mind, or even a literate one. I asked a question and did not make an accusation. What you posted does indeed sound paranoid and delusional - just as it does when published in Al-Manar or Al-Azhar.

Your inability or unwillingness to make distinctions between the two has been a problem in the past and unfortunately appears to still be a problem. You were not personally insulted, and your response is quite disproportionate and unreasonable.

Telling a person to leave who disagrees with you is particularly immature, particularly after you are given a response to refute part of your supposition. Now either you're capable of supporting your statements or you are not. If not, then admit that you're simply going on supposition. If you're capable of backing up what you said, please do so.

How did Jews come into this Geist? Why bring in a religious belief system? Why? And yes, you were and are insulting..now and then...and you know it.

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[MDS_Geist]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
How did Jews come into this Geist? Why bring in a religious belief system? Why? And yes, you were and are insulting..now and then...and you know it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wasn't being insulting then and I'm not being insulting now. Your inability to separate yourself from your posts is something that you still need to deal with. Your choosing to take offense rather than actually say anything substantive - such as actually providing any shred of evidence.

The question you ask here would seem to indicate that you either did not read my post or if you did read it that you did no understand it. You posted what amounts to a conspiracy theory - the same type of conspiracy theory that one can read in the Arab press or in Neo-Nazi "newsletters." The example I used was one that has been talked about a number of times in the US and has nothing to do with bringing a religious belief into it - I was giving you credit for being relatively informed about such things. Your response would seem to indicate that you are not aware or that you are trying to find a way out of actually backing up your conspiacy theory.

Now do you actually have any evidence that supports what you posted? Because so far you have chosen to try and make this a personal issue, which it is not. I have no feelings towards you one way or the other, and was interested in seeing any actual evidence that you had. Since you appear to have none, I maintain that your original statement indicting the US for complicity in the 9/11 terror attacks sounds both paranoid and delusional - as do many articles in the Saudi press for example. You seem to be beginning with an ideology rather than evidence. Is that in fact that case?

The Right to command is bought with Duty

[Jojo9999]

Is it you that is having trouble seperating yourself from your own contrieved believes?

You are very personal Geist...and you could or would not handle the truth if I were to tell you..for I see by your posts that it is you that is immature in thinking and believing everything that is printed in and by the Media...grow up some, get some years under your skin, then we will talk...until then...Have a Nice Day http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[skylark2025]

I believe that I heard some short time after the attacks that the US Government had in fact been warned. Just to be fair though I think they were warned of about 2000+ other attacks as well and that was probably another ploy by a cunning and dangerous (wish I could spell!) group of people that new the backlash it would cause. Letting the US know what you were going to do buried in a mountain of usless information then tell the media that you warned the US.


Or maybe not... You are right Geist I have no proof and it is all supposition but hey Jojo it is a public forum and I should be able to come here and share my opinion right?

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[Jojo9999]

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif @ Sky, for you are correct. I encourage all expressions of dissent real and imagined for to soar takes flights of the Imagination that some cannot ever interrupt..it is called The Spirit. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[MDS_Geist]

Jojo, you have made ad hominem arguments and not addressed any actual issues. You commented first about RADAR, and I explained to you how it works. Then you respond by continuing to attack me and not say anything substantive. We're not "talking" now because you appear to have a completely closed mind that does not seem to think that actual facts are relevant based on the fact that you have chosen to attack me rather than actually engage in discussion.

I have made nothing personal, but you have chosen to make highly erroneous judgements that you are neither capable of nor qualified to make of my person. If you actually have "truth," than share it and let people decide what they can and can't handle. That's not your call to make. Of course, your "truth" will require a basis in fact - something you seem to be unable to provide.

Sky, of course you are as entitled to your opinion as everyone else and I have never said or implied otherwise. We also know from evidence such as the Phoenix memoe that there were numerous warnings of "somthing" that involved Islamist terrorists and airplanes and god only know what else. So you do have proof.

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[Jojo9999]

Geist: How would you know about Radar? Do you have a degree in Electnonic Engineering? No..I did not think so.

If you dare...go visit a few web sites that will completly blow your boxed in mind...lets just say for starters...ah...David Icke's. Then if you are still with us, I will share some thoughts about what does and does not go bump in the night. Aho!

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[rwwllms]

Here's some proof, kinda, sorta, maybe:

A couple of months before 9/11 the Federal government all of a sudden starting locking down military bases and enforcing tighter security at Federal buildings. The standard answer to why this was so was that this was just SOP, something that should have been done long ago, no need to worry, everything is all right. In other words they tried to hard to tell us that it was no big deal. Well, it was a big deal. At least around here. Here, in Columbia, SC we have Ft. Jackson. It is pretty much in the center of Columbia and is actaully considered part of Columbia. Residents have always cut thru the base to get from one side of town to the other for years with no problem or security checks as long as they stick to the main roads that run from gate to gate. All of a sudden all gayes were locked and barricaded except for the two main ones, and they were actually staffed with guards, never had been before. These guards were/are in full combat kit. M-16s with grenade launcher attached, loaded down combat harness (grenades, spare clips. gas mask, etc.) with a bio-suit close at hand. A nice peaceful, friendly military base had suddenly been transformed into a base that appeared to be in the middle of a warzone instead of a nice American city. Again this was at least two months before 9/11. The atmosphere on the base was tense and apprehensive, like everyone was holding their breath waiting on something. I know all this because I was working on the base at the time installing computer and phone cables in some new barracks. They weren't replacement barracks either, they were anticipating an increase in personnel and recruits. At the time I couldn't figure that out because for the last few years the military had been downsizing. Now, all of a sudden, without warning, they were expecting an increase in the number of troops. Every morning when I arrived at the bases gates I hafd to go thru a full vehichle search. While my work truck was being searched my papers and background was being researched. Every morning by the same guards. Again, this was two months before 9/11.
Also, in that time frame, I did some work in the Federal building downtown. In the past the place was just patrolled by a couple of rent-a-cops. At the same time as the fort being locked down the rent-a-cops were replaced by a platoon of Marines, again in full combat kit. And I had to go theu the same intense searched and researched routine to gain entrance when I to go do some phone work in the building a couple of times. And again, this was about two months before 9/11.

So don't sit there and lie to me telling me that the government knew nothing. I KNOW from my own personal observations that the government knew something big was coming and they choose to keep it to themselves and lie about it to us. Could 9/11 have been prevented? Maybe, maybe not. But the government could have done more to protect us citizens but instead they cose to protect themselves and leave us in the dark. Draw your own conclusions as to why they did so.

[MDS_Geist]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
Geist: How would you know about Radar? Do you have a degree in Electnonic Engineering? No..I did not think so.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Clearly you did not think (much less look into the matter) or you would have realized that what I was saying was quite true, you just reacted with ad hominem attacks. You could have asked, and received the answer that I am a former fighter pilot. We know a great deal about RADAR and the many different kinds of RADAR sets out there.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
If you dare...go visit a few web sites that will completly blow your boxed in mind...lets just say for starters...ah...David Icke's. Then if you are still with us, I will share some thoughts about what does and does not go bump in the night. Aho!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Clearly I'm still here and have yet to have my mind "blown," particularlyl since it was never "boxed in" as you proclaim. So why don't you share some of these thoughts that seem so taken with.

Ron, I have never lied to you or anyone else here and haver certainly never said that the government knew nothing. You've been reacting quite harshly lately.

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[rwwllms]

Whoops, sorry about that Geist. I wasn't specifically refering to you or anyone else here. That comment was directed toward the general catch-all 'they' that control all conspiracies. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

And you'e right. With my current unemployment and health situation I haven't really found to much to be cheerful about. So I'm sorry for letting that come out here.

[MDS_Geist]

No worries Ron, I'm sorry that things are hard for you right now. But have faith that things will improve and they will. As hollow as it must sound, smiling really does make you feel better.

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[Jojo9999]

You were a former jet fighter pilot? Then you know all too well about our/yours/theirs government. Did you fignt in any wars? Just what did you see that makes you such an authority on anything? For it cannot be much of life experiences, and that my friend, I have in spades.

Since you are so eager to learn of a different slant or alternative way of thinking outside of the main stream, then you make the journey of a thousand wanderings in various deserts and see what you will or will not see...I have given you a choice. Aho!

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[MDS_Geist]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
You were a former jet fighter pilot? Then you know all too well about our/yours/theirs government. Did you fignt in any wars? Just what did you see that makes you such an authority on anything? For it cannot be much of life experiences, and that my friend, I have in spades. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Um, Jojo - did you miss what I said about RADAR? We kind of have to know such things pretty well since such knowledge really helps your life expectancy. Yes, I flew in combat and have seen quite a bit in many places around the world. I also have a great deal of life experience and have expertise in a number of areas.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
Since you are so eager to learn of a different slant or alternative way of thinking outside of the main stream, then you make the journey of a thousand wanderings in various deserts and see what you will or will not see...I have given you a choice. Aho!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, you haven't given me anything.

I have seen a great many things, including scores of people like David Icke. What I have not seen from you is any evidence of any kind. Bluntly put - do you have any?

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[Jojo9999]

Bluntly put: YES"

Now I have to ask myself this question: "Self, just what are you getting out of this discourse with this particular entity? Could it be that his insulting ways has risen up the Armor of Nor and you just want to get even? Or, are you trying to enlighten this dense clay? And there in is the answer.

If you are familiar as you say with David Icke then you have your answers. In Spades. Aho!

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[MDS_Geist]

Then what is your evidence?

Ignoring the continuing personal attacks, being familiar with David Icke is not answer. Unless of course you're trying to cite him as your source for evidence. Is that what you're doing?

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[Jojo9999]

According to un named sources (aren't they great http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)a large number of body bags were ordered and deposited in the basement of the Twin Towers A WEEK BEFORE 9-11..chew on that for a while.

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[MDS_Geist]

There is nothing there to chew on. Ordering body bags happens fairly regularly and they are usually ordered in bulk (I asked an ME about this the first time someone mentioned this bit), so there is nothing suspicious about that.

I have no idea what alleged agency (and citing "unnamed sources" without further context does not lend any credence - it ratehr detracts from it) placed the order or why they would be in the twin towers, particularly since they were about to be destroyed. If the government knew that they towers were going to be destroyed, there would be no point to storing body bags in those same towers.

So that's your evidence? An unnamed, uncited source that body bags were ordered and supposedly stored in a building that was already a well known terrorist target?

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[Jojo9999]

You forgot the words "anticipated Terrorist Attacks" and just why did they store body bags in any government or non-govenment (in this case) bldg?

Are you familiar with body bags? Did you live through the Viet Nam war, and what if any war did you happen to fight in?

Well there is no prove of a God, yet people have faith that there is one..so why not undisclosed sources? What say Faith in whatever one choses to be of their God, would not you say?

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[rwwllms]

I have to go with Geist on this one jojo. Why store something that is going to be needed in a building that is about to be destroyed? No sense or logic there. And you would have to admit that the 'evil' powers that be do know what they are doing. Never known 'them' to do something stupid or without reason.

[Jojo9999]

Because not all of the towers were destroyed. Just part. Then after a fashion the rest "came a tumbling down" Does not anyone recall that right before the second plane hit the towers, that there was a helicopter in the sky that stayed there the whole thyme. I saw it the morning that it happened. This plane was very parculiar and no mention was ever made of it..this helicopter or whatever it was...

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[MDS_Geist]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
You forgot the words "anticipated Terrorist Attacks" and just why did they store body bags in any government or non-govenment (in this case) bldg? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually no, I didn't forget those words since there was no need to use them. Terrorists have targetted the twin towers before and they were a very visible symbol to them, particularly since the terrorists identified the buildings with the government and Jews - two of their main targets.

You haven't yet shown that body bags existed or were stored there, so any reasons would be superfluous until you have some proof of this.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
Are you familiar with body bags? Did you live through the Viet Nam war, and what if any war did you happen to fight in?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I'm familiar with body bags. Are you? I lived through Vietnam and fought in a later war. Have you ever fought in a war?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
Well there is no prove of a God, yet people have faith that there is one..so why not undisclosed sources? What say Faith in whatever one choses to be of their God, would not you say?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So you are equating undisclosed sources - which may very well be wholly ficticious and exist solely in the mind of the author - with God? This analogy does not work. Unless of course you're willing to admit that it is a binary equation - either the sources exist or they do not. If they do exist, then they may actually have proof - so where is this proof?

Unless of course your undisclosed sources/God analogy is simply your way of saying that you have no evidence whatsoever.

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[MDS_Geist]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
Because not all of the towers were destroyed. Just part. Then after a fashion the rest "came a tumbling down" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Except that the towers were indeed destroyed and in fairly short order. Structures simply aren't made to absorb that kind of energy.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
Does not anyone recall that right before the second plane hit the towers, that there was a helicopter in the sky that stayed there the whole thyme. I saw it the morning that it happened. This plane was very parculiar and no mention was ever made of it..this helicopter or whatever it was...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Or whatever it was?" If it wasn't a helicopter, what was it? If it was there, then there should be ample evidence of it.

What are you trying to claim about this alleged "helicopter or whatever it was?"

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[Jojo9999]

Yes, I have lived thruoght a war and won! Which one...why that is none of your business...Again and now again, whats with the Jews? Or the Neo Nazis? I mean really what have they to do with this present set of rebuttal that we have in play? I have not mentioned any religion or lack there in of one...I know of my God, and guess what Geist..you are not it. So to sit here and "argue" with you about mute points is a waste of thyme..which begs the question Why? Why are you so bent on showing me something that will not be seen? Why are you so persistent in this course of action? Oh, what personal attacks upon your being were you alleging to?

Binary Equation Geist? Am I suppose to be impressed? For what you say, you have said before and you are limited to the content of your anology of a mind...see and touch what you will and the rest is up for speculation at any one demeanor. Aho!

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[MDS_Geist]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
Yes, I have lived thruoght a war and won! Which one...why that is none of your business...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I did not ask and have no interest in what war you claim to have fought in - although you did. Of course, I was referring to a "hot war," which involves people trying to kill each other in various assorted ways. What are you referring to, and what was the point of your questions to me about war if you were going to be so discourteous as to request information that you are unwilling to supply?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
Again and now again, whats with the Jews?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your inability to read in context is getting to be a problem here. The terrorists and many other paranoid loonies blame the Jews for all of their ills. Again, I was giving you credit for being at least reasonably well informed and being familiar with publicly released court transcripts from the 1993 WTC bombing where the terrorists called it a "Jewish building" and gave that as one of the primary reasons for whay they targetted it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
Or the Neo Nazis? I mean really what have they to do with this present set of rebuttal that we have in play? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I did not mention neo-nazis in my last post, and they would only be relevant in the sense that their facist ideologies are shared by the Islamists.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
I have not mentioned any religion or lack there in of one...I know of my God, and guess what Geist..you are not it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's nice. Is there a point to this statement other than sounding absurd? I have never claimed to be any sort of deity nor do I have any interest in being seen as one.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
So to sit here and "argue" with you about mute points is a waste of thyme..which begs the question Why? Why are you so bent on showing me something that will not be seen? Why are you so persistent in this course of action?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The word is "moot" and not "mute." Be that as it may, I am and have been asking you to provide evidence to support your assertions. You have since failed to do so and instead introduce irrelevancies like David Icke and rumours of "body bags in the basement" as though they give legitimacy or support. If you actually have evidence, provide it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
Oh, what personal attacks upon your being were you alleging to?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In no particular order you have called me "immature," claimed I had a "boxed in mind" and compared me to "dense clay." You have also told me to leave the forum and your last post you call me "limited."

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jojo9999:
Binary Equation Geist? Am I suppose to be impressed? For what you say, you have said before and you are limited to the content of your anology of a mind...see and touch what you will and the rest is up for speculation at any one demeanor.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Impressed with what? A term that I expect a child in high school to know? Whether you are impressed or not is both irrelevant and uninteresting.

However, the fact that you have once again failed to actually answer a question, much less provide any form of valid evidence speaks to the conclusion that you are unable to do so. If that is not the case, please provide your evidence.

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[Jojo9999]

Mute is what I intended...stretch your mind a little bit Geist...

So you would take words out of content? When you are doing the slinging then it is not. Am I suppose to be honored that you find my view and my self as well, deluded and paranoid? And just for the proverbal record: I don't have to prove or disprove anything to you..and at this point, won't. You, on the other hand, must be correct in what you say...Why? Are you so Pro American that you will not even entertain a thought different then yours? Now that is narrow, closed minded...which you have proved yourself to be Geist...I think that if I said Black you would say White, or visa versa. To debate an opponent takes skill and knowledge, to argue takes nothing but an emotion that you have in(and here our favorite word) Spades. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Although I will give you a high mark for spelling http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif..and isn't that what you wanted all along...to be reconized as something of an authority of some kind? Or is this too a "Mute" point....(please note spelling)
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[MDS_Geist]

If you intended to say that it was a "mute point," then it did not need to be said since that implies that it is lacking in voice and therefore irrelevant.

Your words were not taken out of context, but rather directly in context. Whether or not you are honored by making a statement that is paranoid and delusion is purely up to you. However, you should learn how to differentiate between a comment about an individual and a comment about an individuals actions, thoughts or statements.

More to the point Jojo, it would appear that there is nothing that you can prove - so "won't" becomes moot point and little more than an apparent excuse to cover a lack of ability. You've offered supposition and indicated a very clear dislike of the US government. That's nice, and that's your right to do so. But you have failed to offer anything even resembling a cogent argument, much less evidence to support your position.

I have said nothing that is not true nor have I offered speculations as truth. Your attempt to paint me as narrow or close minded is both inaccurate and amusing since I have done nothing but offer you chances to make your case, chances that you have chosen to forgo in favor of ad hominem comments.

What I would like is for you to actually make a valid point and back it up. To date you have not done so about either the topic here or my own person. So by all means, please feel free to remain "mute" and not embarass yourself further.

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[Jojo9999]

Oh...you are so wrong my friend for I am not embarassed at all...you have been both entertaining and amusing more then you probably realize...and I am so glad that you decided to stay here instead of going back to PoR, for you have made a few boring days at work exciting...we will meet again and cross more swords...what I will tell you is that your military training shows more then you do..now that is a riddle that I want you to ponder..and ponder you will. For it has been de-Creeded.

I have even enjoyed your Avie that looks like he (for I am sure it is a he) is on speed. Great! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[MDS_Geist]

As an aside, you have indeed brought religion into this topic for all of your claims that you have not. You suggested David Icke as a resource - a man who is anti-religion and an avid promoter of conspiracy theories including his ever-popular anti-Semitic screed alleging that there is a secret "kosher tax."

Amusing as you last post was, it says as much as you do - which is precisely nothing. There has been no "crossing of swords" here since there has been no engagement - you have constantly retreated due to your inability to make a cogent argument that is grounded in facts.

There's really nothing here to ponder, but if it makes you happy to think that there is, by all means please continue to do so.

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[Jojo9999]

You still have not figured it out yet Geist? I am a little surprised at you, being the intelligent person that I percieve you to be... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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[Jojo9999]

Geist?....Geist? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif....

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[rwwllms]

oh drat! they stopped. guess i'll have to go watch tv now.

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This reminds me of the Disney programs talking about the big horn sheep of Colorado. They keep butting heads until one has had enough.

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The price Saudi Arabia sells oil to the US could have something to do with it too...

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Did anyone see that movie Conspiracy Theory? Mel Gibson HUBBAHUBBA http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Julia Roberts is cute I guess but not much of an actress :|

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[Urdu]

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Did anyone see that movie Conspiracy Theory? Mel Gibson HUBBAHUBBA http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Julia Roberts is cute I guess but not much of an actress :|

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No, never saw that one. Actually, I seldom get the chance to see much in the way of movies. Bought 3 used DVD's about 4 months ago and have watched only 2 of them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif. Mel has done some very good movies. Only saw Julia in one on tv, Speed. I prefer artsy type films like: Koyanisqatsi, Powaqatsi, Baraka, etc. Also wierd alien movies, and historical and technical documentaries.

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Come on now Ron . You know that Geist always gets the last word in . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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[Jojo9999]

Kis: David Icke (pronouced Ike like in Dead Pres Einsenhower's first name) is British. Is one of the most controversal speakers in the world and has published something like 8-10 books on the subject. He has a web site...but be forwarned...there is nothing that is sacred to him about World Politics, Governments, Religions and International Bankers. And he has some views that might just "blow your mind", maybe not. Whatever. If you visit, & then read some of his books I guarantee you won't ever think quite the same way again.

..and yes, I have his collection of books. They are really something else, that most people would not agree with...for he is REALCONTROVERSAL

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[Urdu]

I see the books worked.

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[Jojo9999]

Urdu: LOL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif...well that is that they did and that is that they might. and that is was what we would call a maybe! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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When The Ax Walked Into The Forest The Trees Said "Look, The Handle Is One Of Us"...Alice Walker

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[Jojo9999]

lOL I think that this is and maybe the second attempt at a first attempt and that two bits will get you a shave and a hair cut. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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When The Ax Walked Into The Forest The Trees Said "Look, The Handle Is One Of Us"...Alice Walker

"Old Age Is No Place For Sissies"...Betty Davis (who else)?