What Graphic Card Should I Buy?

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hey guys.. one of my friends told me that I have to buy a new graphic card.. I have GeForce 3 Ti 200 now but I have to buy another one... what card should I buy?.. tell me a good card that can play any good games like Far Cry etc..
not to expensive.. what card do you have..?

BTW.. AMD 64 is that a graphic card.. ?

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hey guys.. one of my friends told me that I have to buy a new graphic card.. I have GeForce 3 Ti 200 now but I have to buy another one... what card should I buy?.. tell me a good card that can play any good games like Far Cry etc..
not to expensive.. what card do you have..?

BTW.. AMD 64 is that a graphic card.. ?

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AMD 64 isn't a graphic card. It's a 64 bit processor which breaks the 4Gb memory barrier among other things from what I hear. Anyway, I think the minimum specs for Far Cry is a Geforce 3 etc. I'll try and find a link that states this.

Anything better will of course play Far Cry better, so really it's up to you. Why not save up the cash and when it comes out if you are not satisfied with your graphics card performance, get another one? If you are satisfied you wont have spent the cash http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Anyway, that's the way I look at it.

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Thank You For Answering ! well that is a good idea to wait for the Far Cry and then see how it works on the GeForce 3 Ti 200.. but IF it dont work.. this is my question.. IF it does not work.. wich card should I get.. Thats what I wanna know..



Message Edited on 09/28/0305:43PM by X_Plod3

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The stuff at E3 was played on a GeForce Ti4800SE.

I bought it myself a while back now and everygame I have bought has worked outstandingly on it.

I recommend it but it was â£100 for me but I was not really bothered, had some spare cash./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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if i whase you i will wait till FC release wait till christmas than Nvidia will release a new tweaked version of the FX5900 the new cart will be called FX5950 and FX5950ultra now if your smart you will wait till the end of this year cause FC isnt comming in 2003 so than the price of the FX5900 carts will be around the $200 and $250

now that's what i would do cause the FX is way better than the GF4ti4800 cause the FX is DX9 and the TI4800 is DX8

i hope you can still know what i mean so for short:

wait till Q1 2004 than buy a FX5900ultra or 5900 and you will be cool for the next 2 years

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I agree with astro, if you can still have a respectable frame rate, and are able to run this game at also a respectable visual quality, you may not even need to buy a new card. But if you ain't satisfied with what you've got, then you might want to consider upgrading. If you really want this game, and no matter what the circumstances are, you will still buy it, then wait till it comes out, so that you can judge better on what to do.

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It depends how much you're willing to spend. I just purchased an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 256 mb for 150 dollars and I am very satisfied with my purchase.

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I wouldn't get an FX because they have major problems with DX9!

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DX9 is still too new, at least DX8 is done and dusted.

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thx all you guys that have reply.. but I have search in all the stores websites that are near me... and in all those websites, I havent found the GeForce 4 Ti4800 SE.. so I dont know what to do.. I most hope that my GeForce 3 Ti 200 will work on Far Cry or else I wont be able to play this awesome game.. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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get a FX cart this you can find evry where just take a FX5900 or 5800

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Here are the Half Life 2 benchmarks:
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You can read the entire article here: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1863

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but thats one of the problems.. it is sooo expesive.. is costs 3475 swedish cash.. I dont have that much.. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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The 9600 Pro isn't too expensive here. I thought the prices would be universal.

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buddy those are made whit the 45.35 detatnator what did i tell you WAIT FOR THE 50.0 drivers that will change the holl game all my DX9 games runn like 20%better whit the beta drive of the 50.0 detanator now you know that they want to get Ati better specs cause they want to sell the ATI 9800pro(duel GPU) whit the game HL2 thats why they did it for 1 resean

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Don't get me wrong. I enjoy Nvidia just as much as I do ATI. I'm not a fanboy if neither. I've purchased more Nvidia cards than I have ATI. The thing is that I get better performance out of this than an Nvidia card and who knows when the new drivers will be released? Who knows if they'll really improve anything?

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Thats like saying wait until ATI's new driver after nvidias 50 come out.. were talking about NOW! Now the ATI are by far better.. no need for fanboys here, just lookin at the facts.

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ATi is the way to go at the moment. Nvidia owns, but their FX series really blew-it with their DX9 performance. I was so close to buying a 5900, but I'm glad I ended up getting a 9800 Pro.

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i thought the MX series was worse than the FX

yeah, ATi and nVidia are the ways to go

i'd go with a GeForce myself, but an ATi is JUST as good

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MX isn't worse, it's just slower. The MX cards aren't even for gaming. I'm saying that Nvidia claims their performace is in the their FX cards, but from benchmarks... they really crawl in DX9 tests.



Message Edited on 09/30/0312:53PM by Jager_Fett

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Yes convictLoE, precisely. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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I got this 2-3 yr old ati radeon allin1 wonder 7200, 32 meg
and it seems to run dx 9.0 quite well.

I am due for an upgrade though

hey Xplod3, I didnt realize so many peole used the name Xplode lol
I couldnt register under that name and obviously u tried to also lol.

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yeah../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I like that name.. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif but I used the name XPlode many times.. and one day I thought.. it is so normal so I did X_Plod3.. and the 3 stands for the E.. but no one gets that.. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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jasper_vermaas wrote:
- buddy those are made whit the 45.35 detatnator what
- did i tell you WAIT FOR THE 50.0 drivers that will
- change the holl game all my DX9 games runn like
- 20%better whit the beta drive of the 50.0 detanator
- now you know that they want to get Ati better specs
- cause they want to sell the ATI 9800pro(duel GPU)
- whit the game HL2 thats why they did it for 1 resean


dual GPU? hahaha LOL show me that? haha

you have no idea what the hell you are talking about...grow up dude no need to try and make friends with you bragging about everything!

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Ok fells, lets be nice to each other http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Well, from what I have heard, the Detonator 50 drivers will fix the Dx9 issues with the FX cards. I've read in places that it is a hardware problem with the chip, but I dont think that has really been confirmed. However, dont go buying a card just yet. Nvidia will be releasing the NV38 very shortly, so there will be new cards from Nvidia by the end of the year hopefully. These cards will aparently be almost twice as fast as the fastest current FX cards.

I personally prefer Nvidia cards to ATI. I have found the texturing in NV cards to be better and there appears to be less glitches than with the ATI cards. Thats a personal opinion of course.

-d0ll

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X_Plod3. If Far Cry is a dx 9 game you have to get a ATI card. There is no way around it. The scores posted here donâ´t lie. All dx 9 benchmarks utilizing PS 2.0 shaders show pretty much the same results.

If you are on a budget I would get minimum a 9600 PRO. 9500 PRO is better and perhaps you should aim for a 9700 PRO?

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jasper_vermaas wrote:

now you know that they want to get Ati better specs
- cause they want to sell the ATI 9800pro(duel GPU)
- whit the game HL2 thats why they did it for 1 resean

Ok, because you said so? Wouldnt it be dumb to use an old driver for benchmarking? of course they used the best ATI driver vs. the best Nvidia driver...





Message Edited on 10/02/0305:22PM by convictLoE

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ok I just found the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro and its TO expesive.. it costs 4490:- swedish money and I cant aford that so I found ATI Radeon 9200 and I am asking the proffesinalls.. you guys.. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif is it good? is it worth the money? does it take Far Cry..?

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The least you should get is a 9600 Pro.

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so 9200 is not good? damn.. I thought I just found a good card.. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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If I were you I would wait until Far Cry is released, and there are some reviews around for you to read about how it performs on alsorts of graphics cards.

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oke for you guys NO THEY DID NOT USE THE 51.17 drivers that i have here they used the 45.35 drivers of the Nvidia cause the 51.17 are not WHQL and so they can not been seen as offical drivers and the 51.17 drvers are BETA still it gave me a boost that you just cant belive.

btw there is a NEW ATI cart comming its the RADEON 9800 XT its going to ship whit HL2 so yeh Valve did have deal whit ATI to bring there specs beter btw the 24Bits presion that calculates the shadow and reflection isnt used 100% as it cant do this cause shadow and reflection needs 32Bits presion but ATI found a way to fake so they used 24Bits only i think this suck BIG time let me get a good ENGLES link to web site whit the new ATI cart

this are the specs now
http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1065003397.gif


http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030930/index.html the link and WHAT DO I SEE IN THE LIST DX9 FOR FAR CRY /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

still lets see how its going to look /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Dude W T F does WHQL mean.

I am no wizz but what does this graph show?

It has a title blabering on about some stuff that means nothing to me.

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oke computer stuff for dumies here

WHQL= Windows certived of improvement tested and is aproved that it gives a good boost of preformans this can only be given to a COMPLET release of a driver.

the numbers in the graph give the frames per seccond the more the better. the AA stands anti aliasing AF is anti allising


AA is a factor that effect the pixel dept of a image in game the more AA the more pixels it calculats

AF is a improving of culling down in distans so the distanse detail is higher the more AF the more detail

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Thanks, I am a dummy now?

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This is a topic we have covered before, but its good to reiterate what was said previously. Well, some of you are right, and some of you are quite wrong with your assumptions. First, using a benchmark like Aquamark or UT 2003, is not a good measuring stick against a new game like Far Cry, because they are older games that either do not use Dx9 at all, or they are not using Shader 2 (and the other current features) or technology for example.

When we are talking about a new game like Far Cry, it can become a little subjective really...and I will repeat myself.."there is nothing else by which to measure it." All game developers code and tweak their game engines differently, so its impossible to predict how a game will run on a certain card unless you've already tried it with that game.

The best thing to do as some of you have said, is to wait till the game comes out and then run it on what you've got. If you dont like the performance, get another card. Just dont get an "MX" = Radeon or Nvidia bottom range FX card, cuz you will be dissapointed.


Cheers all

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funny fact here aquwa mark is DX9 and shader 2.0

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ok I can buy a ATI Radeon 9600 Pro.. but think if it will work on FC will it work on other games like Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow or Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater? will it work on games in the future or do I have to but I new card later?

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Hey wait to buy a card the new Nvidia cards based on the nv38 chipset should need to be ready the 10/10/03 so in a couple of day's and then there is only the production to do (,i'll try to find where i found this but believe me it's true!) And then you could start choosing one, not before!

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but think it will be veeeerrryyy expensive..

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Whatever you do, don't buy a GeForce or Nvidia related product since apparently they aren't being supported by DX10 because they messed about with DX9 which annoyed the DX team, so they have deliberately made GeForce cards incompatible with DX10.

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no that is whit ATI carts the Nvidia do go higher than DX10 but than DX10 is released whit Windows Longhorn due to release in the end of 2005 damn than i already have a totaly new sytem and my computer will work as a rendernod than so no need for a DX10 cart for now and if your real want a good cart just wait till next year they will be even faster /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

no for real here in Q1 Nvidia will release a new core its a NV40 it hase a GDDR3 memory that means it should be 2Ó” faster than the NV3- series and it hase 8 to 16 render pipelines and even high clock ratio i thing ati is going to loose that one.

btw you could also go for a XGI cart its new on the market its a new High end chip its called the VALORI its duel GPU cart and is realy cheap the specs are good and the marks are also good the best model gets a score of 5600 in 3dMark 03 thats the same score as a 9800 pro from ati and the same score as a FX5900 as i get a little higher score than this and this is whit not even the best drivers so this WILL improve good news there is a 3th big player in the game right now i just want to check out what it does whit FC

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I just checked out the price for a GeForce FX5900, its â£330 and that is the lowest price.

It has twice the Vertices/sec of a GeForce4 Ti4800SE and yet 3x the price. Oh and twice the memory but that is no big deal.

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What ever you do don't by a non-pro 3d cart of nvidia, they are much worser for example the 5600pro is beter than the 5900, and the price difference isn't to big!!

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Your not going to get a very good answer when theres apparently someone who's just an nividia fan boy.

Wait till the game comes out and Im sure you'll see its not gonna take a $400 card to play this game.

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Hey Convict do I judge you?

You don't know me, I just like the nVIDIA cards, you don't know that I am just a nVIDIA dude.

I had a few ATI and also a couple of Vodoo PCI 3D accelerators cards but I find that the nVIDIA is the best for me.

Most games accept nVIDIA cards, so there you have.

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I still dosent get a straight answer.. but nvm that... I think if something will not work when I play FC then I will buy a card and I will stick with ATI cus nVIDIA is my favorite but only the GeForce 5900 is good and its toooooo expensive !

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Blain. wrote:
- Hey Convict do I judge you?

Blain, before you open your hole, know that I wasnt talking about you, mmmk.

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I'm totally not a nvidia fan boy, i maybe had a geforce 4mx460 but i bought a new pc with a ati 9200tx, and i must say that ati is much beter if you see the price/performance comparision! I only posted that because he was talking about Nvidia and that they will release the new cards with one for a low price! So fan of Nvidia and ATI http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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The whole idea of my reply is to let the person asking the question realize, hes not going to get a even idea if people just post stuff like, wait until new drivers come out, and garbage like that.

Its like AMD/INTEL. He should just wait and see how his card preforms and what kind of money he has when that time comes. I myself like AMD and ATI, soley for the fact of being a computer Tech, I've seen better preformance from them, but that doesnt make it what I think better.

It depends on the person and thier budget. Next week there will be a better card, it just depends on what works for you.

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no man its just a fact that if you do more than games your better of whit a Nvidia than whit ATI its just so hard to explain but let me say this. when ''Finding Nemo'' whase made there where NO ATI carts in the works stations

thats cause Nvidia is one of the best whit PRO cards iam not saying this cause i whana be a PRO cause iam not but let me get to this site of workstations of BOXX thats a company

http://www.boxxtech.com/swf/index.asp

this whase one of the suplyers of that movie

its just better in aps than in games and i dont mind playing whit 22FPS but than if i whase getting a game machine i would defintly buy a ATI.

iam not a Nvidia fan iam a just some one who wants to get a MULTI perpase cart and not a Game cart

sure ATI will do good but from what i get from school(3D art school) they have P4HT systems whit ATI9800Pro carts i just dont get the same render qualety.

the shadows are not as good as from a Nvidia cart and the Raytrace and lightings are also not so good as whit Nvidia cart i hope you under stand me now

i did not got my system to do games i bought it cause i use it for 3D modelling and 2D PhotoShop and Primiere and other Multi Media Aps


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I just got a Radeon All-in-Wonder 9800 pro 128 for $379 at www.gameve.com (http://www.gameve.com) This card does everything as far as gaming goes as well as functions as a tivo. Its a no brainer what card to buy. its the best graphics card out there.
TFR_Filth wrote:
- The least you should get is a 9600 Pro.
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TFR_Filth wrote:
- The least you should get is a 9600 Pro.
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Anyway, it is true that the driver used on that benchmark is not official yet. 51.x drivers are horribly buggy; they do give you a boost in performance, but the image quality is as low as it can get. While on the other hand, 52.14 BETA shines. With this driver, on some DX9 benchmarks and games, GFFX 5900 maintains the really good frame rates without compromising the graphical quality.

The image quality problems on Tomb Raider, Halo and Aquamark 3 have already been solved (though in Tomb Raider, they stil struggle a lot, but its output is actually slightly better than that of ATI [which still has some graphical bugs with this game]). They even become the faster card in Halo (without any compromise or shortcut or cheating). Not to say that it beats R350 already, but at least, it's headed to the right direction as they are right now.

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1896

And oh, for those saying that Far Cry is a DX9 game, care to elaborate in what form that DX9 compliant features be implemented in this game? As far as I've been concerned, Far Cry does not use any version 2.0 shading at all. But yeah, even in its highest settings, I would still say that HL2's technical aspect is still below that of Far Cry's,



Message Edited on 10/11/0310:20PM by embargiel

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TFR_Filth wrote:
- The 9600 Pro isn't too expensive here. I thought the
- prices would be universal.



I had to answer this, to clear some numbers up.

No, the prices are not universal.

Each country has its own marketing rules, and what may seem as moderatly priced in one country, may very well be extremely and absrurdly expensive in another.

For all it matters, there realy is no such thing as a universal price tag, for whatever the product.


I'l give you a short example:

For what i understand, you live in the US, so i'l use that as a base.


A Geforce FX 5900, should cost somewhere around 500$US (I'm not using accurate numbers, i'm only using this as an example)

By the time it reaches Portugal (my country and the one i'l use as the example), it will cost 20% more because of taxes applied in this country.


So, for the Geforce you paid 500$US for, i would have to spend 600$US to buy exactly the same card.


Therefore, all in all, whatever you buy around here, will have to realy be worth the money, otherwise you'l just be spending too much, for subpar quality if the hardware ins't worth it!



If you think about the overall price for a fairly good PC, in the US should be around 2000$US, but here it will cost 2400$US.


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embargiel wrote:
- And oh, for those saying that Far Cry is a DX9 game,
- care to elaborate in what form that DX9 compliant
- features be implemented in this game? As far as I've
- been concerned, Far Cry does not use any version 2.0
- shading at all. But yeah, even in its highest
- settings, I would still say that HL2's technical
- aspect is still below that of Far Cry's,



http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030930/images/dx9games.jpg


Using one new feature, or using them all, ends up in a moot point.

If out of 10 new DX9 features (figurative number), Far Cry used a single one, it would still be considered a DX9 game, since without that same feature, the game would no longer be the same.



As far as saying HL2 is below Far Cry on technical aspect, that's going way out of your league. (no flame intended, only a remark).

By all means, the CryEngine is impressive, and i have a particular interest in its development since someone's career i'm following, is working on the D3D9 render engine structure for this game. But going as far and comparing it with the lush achievements on HL2 is defenetly going too far.

Nevertheless it will certainly figure high, among the top 5 FPS games of the 03/04 season.


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Thanks for clearing that up.

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resev wrote:
- As far as saying HL2 is below Far Cry on technical
- aspect, that's going way out of your league. (no
- flame intended, only a remark).

LOL, it's not a flame, but it's also an unnecesary remark. It is also way out beyond your league to say that HL2 is technically more impressive than Far Cry. As far as I'm concerned, Far Cry does have its edge over Half LIfe 2, as far as technical aspect goes. It's got bigger draw distance, far better lighting effect (based on what I've seen so far), and the more intensive use of bump-mapping (again, based on what I've seen so far). Anyway, don't you think that DX9 games list is somehow misleading. IIRC, they said that Call of Duty, Final Fantasy XI, Tron 2 and Colin McRae 3 are DX9 based games. I've yet to see any DX9 features to be utilized on those games.