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XyZspineZyX
01-25-2003, 08:12 AM
IM sorry just had to vent after being kicked off a weakass server because I was camping. I killed all 4 of them and suddenly they werent winning so like little girls they kicked me.
Sever is !!LOADED!!
They are just girls they cant stand it when someone beats them so they have to kick.
LEARN TO DEAL WITH EVERY KIND OF THREAT
YOU ARE WEAK

XyZspineZyX
01-25-2003, 08:12 AM
IM sorry just had to vent after being kicked off a weakass server because I was camping. I killed all 4 of them and suddenly they werent winning so like little girls they kicked me.
Sever is !!LOADED!!
They are just girls they cant stand it when someone beats them so they have to kick.
LEARN TO DEAL WITH EVERY KIND OF THREAT
YOU ARE WEAK

XyZspineZyX
01-25-2003, 09:51 AM
I agree with you. Camping doesnt mean playing bad. It means the player who is running around like an idiot and killed by ppl who is just sitting down and wait for your foolish. Camping is a clever way to win this game.

XyZspineZyX
01-25-2003, 10:17 AM
well... it's just frustrating you know... you break into an area running as LOUDLY as you can and not bothering to take cover from ANYTHING, not even the shadows of the guy with a gun looming over head....

yeah, if you die by "camper", your own fault.

XyZspineZyX
01-25-2003, 10:44 AM
yeah.. campin is a tactic... if ur good in it why should u go assaulting??

XyZspineZyX
01-25-2003, 11:26 AM
because camping is not playing

camping is used from weak scared n00bs cuz they dont dare to get out in a fight
if all would just camp it would end in boring sittign in the houses and none gets shot, draw..
this is a game, so it is meant to move and who shots better and faster get the points. thats all to say
if ur to scared to get in a fight and just hide behind ur boxes to wait for ya cheap kills ur are wrong in this game.
R6 playstyle is diffent, go back to ya CS and play that. that is just about camping


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XyZspineZyX
01-25-2003, 01:59 PM
Well go to another server or start playing. If u camp and people kick u then well they don't want campers. Why? because campers are annoying. I don't whine about them but if they kick campers, them i don't mind. Usually campers take away the fun of ALL the others players. I even hate it when i have a camper in my own team. Just a coward tactic, yes it's a tactic, and if a camper take away the fun for the rest he/she is kicked. Logical IMO

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XyZspineZyX
01-25-2003, 03:55 PM
geez lets just cry a river here. Seems to me campers are gettin more kills than the idiots running around like they have no sense. It doesnt matter how fast you run and how many times you can cover a map, one shot one kill right? So they get annoying deal with it.



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XyZspineZyX
01-25-2003, 05:49 PM
I'm tired of this discussion!
Why can't we just realize that camping is a play-style? I'm not camping myself and of course it's frustrating being shot, but I don't care where the bullet came from and neither should you.
This is a game... only a game. Accept it or leave the game!

XyZspineZyX
01-25-2003, 05:58 PM
well put ViperKing, I agree.



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XyZspineZyX
01-25-2003, 08:00 PM
ViperKingDK wrote:
- I'm tired of this discussion!
- Why can't we just realize that camping is a
- play-style? I'm not camping myself and of course
- it's frustrating being shot, but I don't care where
- the bullet came from and neither should you.
- This is a game... only a game. Accept it or leave
- the game!
-
-
Totally agreed. Campers are and will be booted by some servers and this isn't going to change so accept it or stop camping /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Bartez

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XyZspineZyX
01-25-2003, 09:52 PM
This is the way I see it, All else being equal the camper has a big advantage.

If you sit behind the salad bar with your sights on the door not making a sound you have a big advantage over the people that are moving, making noise and not sure where the enemy is.

If its such a big advantage then why wouldnt everyone camp? Well if that happened the game would end in a draw everytime wouldnt it?

I think thats why most people dont camp, I think its somewhat of an unsaid understanding that its rude to take this advantage on a open just for fun server.

Maybe I am way off on this but thats the way I see it.

XyZspineZyX
01-26-2003, 12:50 AM
Erm, no, way off

Its like idiots that ban the use of Rocket Launchers in Wolfenstein but it doesnt sute the way they play.
If the game LETS you do it, then its fair, legal, as good as any other way.

I do see value in the opinion "that server doesnt like it so go somewhere else" however, and I certainly will not go to !!LOADED!! or any other server that makes other people play the way the owners want them to, just so they look good.

XyZspineZyX
01-26-2003, 02:47 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_ravenshield_snt&id=zzxko

campers really have no skill since they just wait in corners until someone comes along. they're too scared to get up and look for other players so waiting for someone is the ONLY way they can get kills. if we're idiots for actually *playing* the game, so be it.

honestly, how much skill is required to leave your crosshair over the entrance waiting for an enemy to open it then pull the trigger?

XyZspineZyX
01-26-2003, 03:49 AM
GenGoku wrote:
- honestly, how much skill is required to leave your
- crosshair over the entrance waiting for an enemy to
- open it then pull the trigger?

Honestly, how hard is it to work as a team and use a FB when breaching doors? I highly doubt that someone with slightly impaired visibility can take on the three of you entering. Heck, why not throw in a frag and save yourself the trouble of shooting?

Stupidity kills.

XyZspineZyX
01-26-2003, 08:26 AM
The most valid point about camping is if that is how everyone else played the game, then there would be no game. It's a game. Camping can be a tactic and in the real deal a lot can be said for patients (camping). Great tactic. Again though, this is a game. If it were to really catch on big, the game would die because it would just be boring. Without players, playing the game (running around like idiots I believe it was referred to in this thread) there would be no one for campers to shoot.

It depends on a lot of things whether camping would be acceptable in a particular game. Good players can deal with campers alright and win. On an organized team, a camper or sniper or two are useful. But these positions on the team need to know when to move out based on team loses and other circumstances that develop in the match to help the team "win."

In closing, without any real malice either way, if camping is an individual's ONLY tactic, they probably need to consider getting out and getting shot for a while, while they experience the knocks of the game that are required to become an all-around player.

Then there is camping to chat for a bit; camping for a well earned smoke or coke break. Which is to make the point not to be hasty to kick a player that just happens to camp for a couple of games.

Personally, the only reason I find it necessary to kick players from my servers is for purposely or repeatedly shooting their own teammates. There are a lot of newbies; hey everyone has to begin somewhere and for that matter somehow. If camping makes them more comfortable at first, it's okay.

If you find yourself feeling really strongly on one side of this issue or the other to the point of anger, you need to check your OWN 6; it's a game. Smile, be happy (actually LOL), and for God's sake have some fun, make some friends, help a newbie, be a good sport. you know the rest. - Regards /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
01-26-2003, 07:19 PM
dude camping is a part of real combat. anyone who says camping is dumb is weak. if you cant deal with camping then dont play.

covert

XyZspineZyX
01-26-2003, 08:07 PM
Usually, the people that complain about "campers" are either the people that are too stupid to be able to flush them out, they run full speed at a position that's owned by a "camper", and then whine about getting nailed by someone who's defending a position, or they whine about their teammates camping after getting nailed in the opening 30 seconds of the game.

These idiots are usually the ones that spend the rest of the match typing Zzzzzz in the chat box!

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XyZspineZyX
01-27-2003, 01:36 AM
I must say that campers tend to be panzies. I do not run around like an idiot, but I do run. I use frags, and I love it when I get a chance to kill a camper hiding behind some boxes.

The most annoying thing about campers is the time it takes to find them, especially on a large level. You want to use caution so the weakest player in the game does not take you down while sucking his thumb hiding behind a box. These levels are large at times and looking for campers takes forever. Sometimes I wait a little in one spot, but I never picth a tent.

I would not boot you off my server, but sometimes I would like to. If you plan to camp, expect people who try hard to win to get irritated. Maybe if you try to learn to play with all tactics (assault/defense) you might have more fun. Quit crying!!!

XyZspineZyX
01-27-2003, 03:20 AM
Where it's true camping is a harsh subject among some people (usually clans) it's part of ANY fps and if you don't want people to camp play a different type of game.

In every FPS i've played i've seen campers, and every time people complain that they should "get some skillz!" or "leave your a newb!" well let me tell all the people that say this (and you know who you are) if i had a gun, and so did you in real-life, i would camp the *** off you until i get a shot in.

I do camp now and then but i always move if i do, camping for the whole round is not a bad thing if there is more than one left alive, however i can be annoying for people that are looking for them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif i do complain when people camp, but i do it light heartedly and never vote for them if they are being kicked, those who do are either crap or just are in a clan http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

anyway enough with my rant, for all those who can't be bothered to read the message through the summary is that i think camping is part of the game so shut up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
01-27-2003, 05:46 AM
I actually I like campers, it gives me more of a reason to use nades ^_^.

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XyZspineZyX
01-27-2003, 02:26 PM
It depends on the rest of your team, unfortunately this is a team game where people rarely play as a team. If your team mostly go on the attack and someone stays behind, it is just making make likely that you will lose (the attack is a man short, and you will not be able to hold out on your own for long). The biggest issue is CSL, as it is the only map (so far) where a single guy can effective camp on his own, I don't think the other maps have a single place that can not be approached in at least two directions (other than the cells in Prison, but there you are just asking for someone to grenade you..).

I have to admitt that while it may be annoying to those who are dead and waiting to watch a guy sit behind a box watching some stairs, for the opposition still playing it is great fun. It is a CT game, and if you can not work out how to take out that last guy (especially if there is more than one of you left) maybe you should consider a different game. If I am killed by a camper, thay is my fault, and if I can get up there and take him out, that just feels good... Good example, I was playing and there was some clan people on my team, we were in the situation above (one enemy left upstairs in the red base). When we got to the groud floor of the red base I said "Wait" on teamspeak and got out my flash bangs. The clan guys picked up the idea quick enough, and immediately after I though up a couple of FBs they charged up and took out the now blinded camper... Great when it works..

I have been there, last guy left on the map, loads of opposition running about, you find yourself somewhere to dig in to try and even up the odds a little (though I personally have learned that staying mobile but out of sight gives you a longer life expectancy).

I have little patience which means I will never camp for very long if nothing happens (usually a get up and move a second before some comes around the corner I was watching.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif )

There is another issue as well, success... I have never seen a camper that won a round for his team kicked.. But if you continually let your team down, don't expect any forgiveness.

What I find odd is, if you have 2 players and one always camps and the other always rushes. Ig the rusher keeps winning then all is well with the world, but if the camper keeps winning, then he is at fault for playing 'badly'..?????

Well, enough rambling.. If server hosts dislike campers so much, why is it hard to find good PILOT game??





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"Bunch of %&*ing campers...."

XyZspineZyX
01-27-2003, 05:01 PM
the problem is that ppl who camp usually stay alive and slow the gameplay down. ppl are waiting almost 5 minuites for a coward who doesnt like to die.

~Rage

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XyZspineZyX
01-27-2003, 09:10 PM
When I play, Honestly I do play to have fun like you, but I also take into consideration how the other team plays. If they are having trouble clearing rooms and things I'll go outside for them. If they camp then I try to make their camping experience fun (while still trying to kill them). If they like to go all out and run around like an idiot, most of the time I won't sit back and wait for them to come, I'll try to make it very close game.

Now for camping, If I DO camp, its only until I get a kill, If I win the round as soon as I pitch, I probably won't return to the tactic. Do you see what I mean?

I try to keep the game as close as possible. I want all the team members to cheer at the end because it looked like the skill was so close, and its not obvious that you suck *** at the game.


I guess just etiquette? is that what I mean? I just don't like to kill the sh|t out of people in the worst way, because the moralle is terrible the next game, and usually ends up in an abrupt close of the server, or you got kicked =)

XyZspineZyX
01-28-2003, 02:32 AM
aetre wrote:
- When I play, Honestly I do play to have fun like
- you, but I also take into consideration how the
- other team plays. If they are having trouble
- clearing rooms and things I'll go outside for them.
- If they camp then I try to make their camping
- experience fun (while still trying to kill them). If
- they like to go all out and run around like an
- idiot, most of the time I won't sit back and wait
- for them to come, I'll try to make it very close
- game.
-

uhhh...so prettymuch you are running in front of the enemy saying "Kill me, kill me!"

i dont read you man

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XyZspineZyX
01-28-2003, 03:22 AM
The biggest problem with camping is that if EVERYONE does it, there's no game. You can't argue with that, so if you camp EVERY single time, yes, you're a borderline cheater simply because you're forcing someone who just wants to have fun playing RS into a very underhanded position.

XyZspineZyX
01-28-2003, 04:33 AM
I think people in general mis-interpet ambushing for camping. I view a camper as someone who sits in a spot for the entire round in a bottle neck area waiting for that one kill. I dont have a problem with that because a true "camper" usually doesnt use differnt spots and can be dealt with if you use your brains. Now you have an "ambusher", the guy that knows the other team likes to rush on CSL and sets up claymores/C4 at the door because in all honesty its easy and youll probably end up getting 2 kills at the least. Ambushers know when to move, notice tendancies and mix up their attcks/ambushes at different spots. You also have snipers, it doesnt make sense to me for snipers to be mobile unless they have to (if spotted etc). It seems to me that the majority of people that cry "camper" usually dont know how they got killed or assume the person was there the entire round. I also find that a lot of rushers refuse to mix up thier rush patterns. Most dudes will cross CSL the same exact way each round and when the other team adjusts and sets up traps they complain. Ive seen it time and time again and its quite amusing. Also there are times when "camping" is totally justified. If I am the last letf in my squad and I know that there may be 2 or more enemies around its probably best to lay in wait concealed and pick them off one at a time. Also if wounded its not practical to stay on the move, if you do engage in a fire fight youre at a big disadvantage mobility wise and health wise. I think adjustments and noticing tendancies would help most of the people who cry camper. If you know someone is camping somewhere why do you still continue to rush into the room?

XyZspineZyX
01-28-2003, 06:06 AM
I am pro-camping, we can't argue that camping is a tactic but to do it well is not easy, on these maps there are very few really good camping spots and I know from experience that a good runner can make short work of a camper and facing two campers (aka snipers) always gives a fun firefight.

Any team game is dependant on several styles of play mixing to be victorious, all runners can win if the runners are really good, a team of campers will be hard pressed to win, but R6 games are not like Unreal or Quake, R6 is about knowing your own strengths and weeknessess and knowing your enemy, if your enemy runs carelessly a camper is usefull but if your enemy is methodical and careful a casmper is a bad idea.

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XyZspineZyX
01-28-2003, 09:21 AM
smegsmegsmeg wrote:
- IM sorry just had to vent after being kicked off a
- weakass server because I was camping. I killed all 4
- of them and suddenly they werent winning so like
- little girls they kicked me.
- Sever is !!LOADED!!
- They are just girls they cant stand it when someone
- beats them so they have to kick.
- LEARN TO DEAL WITH EVERY KIND OF THREAT
- YOU ARE WEAK
-
-



i know exactly what your saying man. I'm an average player so far (havent played a R6 game in ages). Well, I was playing as GREEN (hate the green side), and the red team were swarming our side of the map, constantly. I said forget about run and gun, theres too many of them. I sat back, c4'd the door. As soon as the door opened, KABLOOOEY! he's dead. The next guy peaks from behind the smoke, Rata tat, hes dead. One more guy charges through, Rata tat tat, hes dead. Go upstairs, boobytrap the other door, another fool falls for the trap, KABLOOOEY again, we win the round.

Now next round, my own teammate (who by the way doesnt congratulate me in any way, and I am also under the impression he has the power to kick me, cause he restarted one of the rounds) tells me to "try not to camp". I'm like WTF?!?!?!? I just won the round and he tells me to try not to camp. green had 5 people, and red had 8 people. I said alright I'll try. But in all reality, ***K what anybody says, camping is apart of the game, and not one person should have to change their habits or whatever works for them, just cause some impatient little ***tard cant wait 2 ***KlNG MINUTES!! Thats utter BULLSHlT. And that is my $.01.

XyZspineZyX
01-28-2003, 12:52 PM
It's odd, but I don't mind waiting the 2-3 mins of the rest of a game if I got killed early...


But waiting that extra 10 seconds because one person can not be bothered to press ready really pisses me off....

Like I said... odd...


Anyway, as was said above, it is about having fun... One thing I wish would start happening in the RvS community is something that happens all the time in MoHAA. When there is only two guys left, they normally challenge each other to a pistol duel at a set location on the map... Makes thing more fun for all whether dead and alive...





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"Bunch of %&*ing campers...."

XyZspineZyX
01-31-2003, 07:22 PM
my sister was camping last night when sniping but this guy came around the corner and pop 4 hours into her character /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

However, it was the first time my sister and I played RainbowX x, so we are still adjusting.

Moreover, camping is a valid tactic. This game seek realisms and camping is as real as it gets.

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XyZspineZyX
01-31-2003, 08:52 PM
Nothing wrong with camping in this game. I like to sneak around and mix it up but.........

when I come to busy intersections etc. I will sit for a few cus I know someone is gonna walk through there.

It's called staying alive and using your head. If you think there are 2 many draws then stretch the rounds.

Having everyone run around like we do in Unreal or Quake is not the least bit tactical.

Especially in team play, you play like a team and even a camper is no big deal. But nOOOOOOooooooooooo though everyone loves to get out there and free lance like we are death matching.

I can see complaining about campers in UT or Q3 but in a military game where the game allows it then, get real.


Besides if we were playing for real pain and death, you bet yer *** everyone of us would camp.


Message Edited on 01/31/0307:53PM by Mw2

XyZspineZyX
02-01-2003, 03:14 PM
agreed agreed agreed.

I was an award whinner to camping before /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif . Now I deal with it and I accept almost every death I take from a camper. What I don't like is people like this guy I meet yesterday, killed 6 people of my team and went in high frustration cuz he got killed by a skilled moving camper and start to spam insults during whole match even with his numbered kills he does during all the match.

Sorry, No sig yet...

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XyZspineZyX
02-02-2003, 05:36 PM
First I'm going to say, if you get kicked off a server for camping, then deal with it. The majority of the server didn't like the fact that you were camping, and as the majority of the server, they are allowed their choices and opinions.

Now, I'm going to say this, camping is good + fun in moderation, but when you do it repeatedly, over and over, and are always camping, then it really is gay. I'm not going to hide it, when my gaming buds get online and play RvS, sometimes we decide over BattleCom to all just camp. We aren't cowards, we aren't gay, we just want to take a break from the intensity of rushing for a little bit, and goof around. I personally love rushing, it is more akin to what a CT team is going to be doing. Not many terrorists are going to be killed if you sit in a corner with your RPD set up.

All that said, if you are one of these Career Campers, you really are a coward newbie. If it's because you get owned everytime you run out in the open, then just keep on doing it. I never sat and camped until I could wipe the floor on a rush. That actually makes it funner, cause the guy throws al these insults at you, calls you a noob, and then you rush and one shot pistol him as you run to your 7 kill. If you camp because you are tryign to be "real life tactics" man, then get with it. CT teams generally have a placed cleared in 30 seconds. They are always on the move shooting and such.

Just like anything, camping is alright in moderation, but if you are a compulsive camper, then you seriously need to get with the program. This game is about running and gunning no matter what you realism freaks want to believe. And being picked off from 30 feet away from under some crate with only his head showing IS GAY.


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XyZspineZyX
02-03-2003, 12:59 AM
If you ask me, camping isn't wrong, and it isn't right. Some people do it, some people don't. No-one can do anything about it (except the host of course, but I don't think he should, unless he's stated previously that he will kick campers) so everyone should learn to accept it. If you don't like running into a room and getting raped by a camper, attempt it with others, take it slow, pop a flashbang in and you're bound to get the result. There's nothing you can do about it so: Don't moan, play.

XyZspineZyX
02-03-2003, 05:05 AM
Well this is just my opinion on the topic of camping, is it a tactic....yea...but someone said earlier that it takes skill to camp....lol....yeah right! I don't think so and anyway 90% of those who camp do it because they lack skills in mobile engagements....why...well it is very difficult to develop these mobile engagement skills by sitting behind a box on csl, in the kitchen of the prison map or staying prone beside the dumpster at the green spawn of exp/imp, not to mention they are contributing zilch in the way of support to their teamates, imo again I truely think some camp to pad their stats and others just seem to be intimidated, I won't sit here and lie, every once and awhile when I feel lazy (very rarely) I loadout with a demo/claymore and set up an ambush, but I even can't help feeling that the kills I get by doing this are cheap and somewhat undeserved, then again I also understand that to become a well rounded player you need to practices combatting different kinds of tatics that are employed....but for example 10 rounds in a role on exp/imp the green tm sets up mines and demo charges and camps their spawn for example is weak....they apparently didn't move more than a couple of steps the entire round.....good tactic...we'll just sit at our spawn like a bunch of wet lumps of sht....booby trap all entry points to our spawn and cover the balcony with a couple of riflemen....we even know the other tm knows what we intend on doing so it will turn into a waiting match....we know the other team (RED) isn't going to just sit and camp like us so they will eventually press the intiative and thats when we (YELLOW) will be able to pad our stats.....sound an awful lot like a game of seige from ghost recon...only one big difference, the objective of this game (tm survival) is to elemenate the other tm....not to hold and defend a spawn point.

Should campers be kicked ...no.....but at the same time the lol tactic of camping should not be abused to absurd point.....round- after- round, yeah and I guess those of you who choose to camp a majority of the time think that rushers are idiots....well eventually all your precious spots and patterens you use and develop will come back to bite you in the butt.....when a rusher is focused and pays attention to all details 99% of the time the camper is going to end up dead meat....the only time a camper will kill a descent rusher is when the rusher makes a mistake or overlooks something.....the camper's victory is full dependent on the actions of the rusher...why...because the rusher has the iniative. Camping is like trying to catch a poisonous snake with your bare hands....only if you are lucky you will live past the encounter.

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XyZspineZyX
02-03-2003, 09:17 PM
Camping is a valid tactic yes. But what those of you camping in a public server with random players have to realize is that these people are playing for fun. It's not fun to get camped by someone, and I can't actually believe that camping behind some boxes for 3 minutes while your team gets slaughtered so that in the end you can get 1 maybe 2 cheap kills before you're also wasted is fun. But who knows, to each his own. Bottom line however is it's their server, their rules.

In a clan match or when something is actually on the line camping can and maybe even should be employed, but not in a random public server.

Also, my own little pet peeve; If you're going to camp up stairs on CSL atleast provide a little cover for those of us with a scrotum.

~Fisk!!!!!

PS: If you look at the names on the top of the world stats NONE of them are campers. Camping is definatly a substitute for skill, and a poor one at that (IMO).

PPS: Another thing you have to remember is that these servers you play on are not owned by ubi.com or the Zone. They are owned by the people that put them up and are nice enough to let you play on them. If you don't like a certian server, for whatever reason, then leave and have enough common sense and respect to realize that the entertainment you received there for free, did cost someone something.

XyZspineZyX
02-03-2003, 10:29 PM
Fisk_ wrote:
- Camping is a valid tactic yes.

Camping is NOT a tactic!!! it is the live expression of scared n00bishness


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XyZspineZyX
02-03-2003, 10:47 PM
We know what your saying is true AMC_Pace, when I say camping is a tactic I mean it in a sarcastic way.....and then there is the political correctness issue also.....the weak want to be look at in the same light as the strong or they will cry like a little child and run home and complain to their mommy....I can only speak upon the society of the US, to me it has become a weak/whinning majority who flourishes upon the sacrifices/strengths of a small minority...in general that is why I choose to distance myself from the large flocks of sheep we have roaming throughout my country(USA).

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XyZspineZyX
02-03-2003, 11:50 PM
I think you should read my entire post once more Pace

~Fisk

XyZspineZyX
02-04-2003, 12:48 AM
i'm gonna try to get this back on topic...

ok, you're upset because someone kicked you out of a server they admin because you are camping...well, since they had admin to the server...it's their rules and they can run it how they see fit...if they don't want you in their server, then don't have to let you play in their server...it doesn't have to be because you are camping, they can boot you if they don't like your name, don't like the routes you take, even if they just choose to but you at random...

it's their server, they can do what they want...you don't like? drop a few bones and start your own...as for me, when i play i don't mind the camping until it starts delaying the game...it's fine early in the game but, when you are down to the last 2 people (one on each side)...you sure as hell better not camp...if it's 3v1 or more, then yeah..i'll accept camping because it's kinda ridiculous for some people to go out and rush...if you are gimped vs. more people, it's fine too...but, if you camp on 1v1 or against a gimped person...that's just delaying the game for others because you either don't want to or can't rush...

yes, you can play the game how you want...but, the admin can administer the server how he wants as well...

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XyZspineZyX
02-04-2003, 11:55 AM
Camping is directly related to two things:
Honor and Mission objective

See one of the reasons why people get so mad at campers is because there seems to be no honor in camping, whereas when you advance on the enemy and get shot, it has honor; you went out there and gave it your best. This also ties into the gameplay because nobody wants to wait around for twenty minutes looking for a lone camper; there is honor in that you want to make the game more fun by keeping it exciting.

There is Honor, however, in completing the mission objective also and if camping gets you to that objective, then it was the correct choice. This is the other reason why people get mad at campers, because they are not using appropriate tactics in some situations by camping. People need to look at the mission objective and decide what tactics will bring them to complete it. For example: if the objective is to eliminate all enemy targets and you have a full force, perhaps a mobile assault is best. If you have taken heavy losses, you might survive longer by camping. It's a judgement call on the part of the individual as to what will bring them to the ends they seek.
Hey, you just want to have fun in the game by being more mobile and active?, thats fine, but don't get mad at someone who is using camping to complete objectives because maybe their idea of fun is winning the game.

Bottom line is this: If you camp in every situation, you are going to be killed sometimes and by the same token, if you "run around like an idiot" you are going to be killed sometimes too. Whatever keeps you alive over your opponents is the correct tactic; if you are getting killed by campers all the time, learn how to flush them out!
Whatever keeps the game fun without keeping someone else from having fun is the right action.

If everyone on a server is not having fun because someone is trying their best (by camping) to complete objectives, that person should find a server that reflects those goals.

N-A-R-C

XyZspineZyX
02-04-2003, 12:16 PM
Campers are great...

I can not think of a better way of preparing for the SP game...

Flashing out and clearing rooms of human campers has to be harder than the AI...

I consider it training...



On the other hand, it is also a good way to give the team that is constantly rolling you over a nasty shock...



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"Bunch of %&*ing campers...."

XyZspineZyX
02-04-2003, 05:23 PM
sometimes its ok to camp. like if a lot of your teammates are still living. but if you're the onlyone alive, you shouls move your @ss and find em. besides, you have better chances of killing them if you look for them

~Rage

XyZspineZyX
02-04-2003, 06:44 PM
CTF_Rage wrote:
- sometimes its ok to camp. like if a lot of your
- teammates are still living. but if you're the
- onlyone alive, you shouls move your @ss and find em.
- besides, you have better chances of killing them if
- you look for them
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-

If u have better chances of killing them if you look for them,why are u camping in the first place.

XyZspineZyX
02-04-2003, 08:37 PM
Felps_UK wrote:
-
- If u have better chances of killing them if you look
- for them,why are u camping in the first place.

i dont camp. im just saying that to all of the campers. so MOVE YOUR @SSES! it helps your score. BTW, you dnt gain any skill if you camp.

~Rage

XyZspineZyX
02-05-2003, 03:39 AM
oh and if you run around like a baboon with its *** on fire, thats skillfull isnt!
People who camp usually get the most kills.
These 'quake style' morons dont like the slower pace of these tactical games. Patience, tactics, teamwork and skill yes SKILL win. The true traits of a sniper/camper

XyZspineZyX
02-05-2003, 04:26 AM
Alright there are three types of campers in the world.

First there is your classic newbie camper. Theses campers are the ones who are fearful and run and hide in corners waiting for some easy game to kill and never leave their tent in the desert. These campers are the ones that need to learn that there is more to life than hiding in the corner. Granted the situation may warrant one to do so at times, but if that's all you have seen in the game is one corner of a room in the whole map then you are just missing out on life.

Second there is the "I'm not a newbie" Camper. These are advanced forms of the newbie camper. They have been playing the game long enough to not be called a newbie. However again they still only know one corner of the map and rarely move, unless they realize their spot has become marked as a camping location from their last death by a frag and then subsequently choose a new room to hide their hides in. Again there's more to life than hiding.

Lastly as others have pointed out there is the tactical camper, also referred to as an ambusher. In this scenario you do not hide and wait till a passerby arrives, but passively hunt your enemy. Most everyone develops a system or method of gameplay in fps, and as a rule any system can be exploited. Therefore those who rush tend to follow the same channels of attack, same as those who camp tend to camp in the same areas. Upon gaining this knowledge tactical campers set up positions to halt such advances and to disorient rushers. through well placed claymores, or holding positions that they expect a tango will try to overtake they gain both the advantage of surprise AND initiative. They surprise the enemy by simply having the first shot, and they have the initiative because they can expect the tangos to come knocking on the door with a 75%-100% probability depending on the predictability of the enemy. To these campers I will salute them for having the skills to recognize and counter an effective tactic. However like all tactics on the battlefield, they MUST change and adjust to situations, and no tactic ever works every time.

Cocky, Lazy, Predictable..... Dead

XyZspineZyX
02-05-2003, 04:57 AM
Alright, one more thing.

There is a distinct difference between camping and sniping. For the purposes of this post camping will refer to tactical campers/ambushers as i have defined in my previous post.

Campers are passive hunters. They rely on the trends and tactics of the enemy to predict their location and routes which they travel and search. Upon deriving this knowledge they set up a position and wait for them to come into their line of fire and reply accordingly. This position can and most likely will shift over time to adjust, but only to increase the likelyhood of an encounter with the enemy on favorable terms. Essentially the job of a camper is to surprise the attacking force and punish them for being predictable.

Snipers are active hunters. While they do rely on the trends and tactics of the enemy, they also seek out the enemy. Basically instead of waiting for the attacking force to arrive snipers bring their firepower to the enemy. Their role is two-fold, the first is to reconoitter the enemy. With the advantage of range snipers can safely observe enemy positions and forward them to their teammates. Their second job is to harass, and restrict. By closing off avenues of attack and harrassing the enemy it forces them into more favorable positions of attack for their teammates. When a sniper is a lone wolf however their job is simply to kill. Since their weapon relies on they Snipers do not have the luxury to hole up in a position and wait for the enemy to arrive. Their position can easily be compromised and thus put in unfavorable terms. Therefore by seeking out the enemy they are able to actively put the enemy in favorable terms.

XyZspineZyX
02-05-2003, 02:28 PM
one quote i have:

"It takes skill to set up an ambush...Not to camp."

BTW. Ambushing is different than camping. If you know that the enemy rushes to you base everyround, park your @ss there and ambush em! Then move around.

~Rage

XyZspineZyX
02-05-2003, 08:14 PM
in reply to bigcook and how peeps ask you not to play a certain way,

I think as well that there is no reason why peeps should tell someone not to play the way they want, if everyone did this all would play mostly alike. Besides it's a game about war and as far as im concerned all is fair.(example) while in battle and someone is killing all opposition...the opposition cries out(or even worse your own teammate) dont play that way i dont like it or its not fair. Whatever!

I havent played R6 multiplay yet but i play enuff CS to know that it really suks when people whine like that and even more so when there is an Admin who thinks hes the Authority on how the game should be played, In short if you are a well rounded player camping, or weeding the campers out should be no sweat off the back.

who brought the Gag? -H3llC3ll Out

XyZspineZyX
02-05-2003, 08:31 PM
Think about this:

If you're running around, is it ok to stop and listen for movement? For how long? Is it ok to use cover while running around? How much cover is one allowed?

Camping is not just a tactic, it's a playstyle. Campers use cover tactics and their ears to play the game, whereas others use twitch skill and educated thought processes to figure out where others are.

Every game has people of different playstyles. Just because yours doesn't mesh well with theirs doesn't mean one is wrong or "cheap" and the other is honest and true.

I don't camp. I enjoy moving throughout the environments quickly in FPS type games. I don't know if any of you on either side will ever realize what I've said. I do know, however, that without campers in this game, it wouldn't be even close to the strategic urban warfare I've come to expect and enjoy.

XyZspineZyX
02-05-2003, 08:32 PM
Ohhh, and to Surreal Sentry.....damn good evaluation.....

yea!,yea!....what he said


"to a skilled team or player, no move is the wrong one"
-H3llC3ll

XyZspineZyX
02-06-2003, 05:41 PM
This is a damn interesting thread.

I mean, I've seen some of you in play. Some of you are damn excellent players.
Hell, just yesterday Fisk!!! wiped out all 8 people on my team single handedly. Not sure how he did it, you'd think that one of his team mates would have gotten at least a few rounds off.

But yes...it's interesting to see these players out of game views about the game.

Myself? I don't have a prefered tactic...okay, I do have a prefered tactics on some levels based on how I feel at the time. But mostly I stay flexible. If the other team is sending all thier players one way consistantly you bet your *** I'll set up a claymore or grenade them or even prone RPD them.
Or if I'm the last on my team and on a larger level (import/export) you bet I'll set up shop and start listening for the enemy while sniping.

I camp.
I charge.

The two are not mutually exclusive. They are all ways to play the game. The only things that are cheap or "gay" is when you exploit a bug for your advantage (clipping or name changing to help your team).

Fisk, I'll use you as an example and I really hope you don't mind but you illustrate my next point well.
Some people use a "solid" tactic. As I saw on CSL, Fisk would charge...he would get in the other teams face so fast that they would not have time to truely react.
It's a good stratagy.
Coming out of CSL base I'm often on "autopilot" for cover that I sometimes forget to look for tangos running at me. (Rather avoid the snipers and risk the off chance someone is ballsy enough to sprint the open field.)

So yeah, the game where Fisk whiped out my whole team of 8 (myself included) I decided to adapt. I changed my tactics based nearly exclusively on what Fisk was doing. Trying to ambush his charge, find a way to kill him before he could kill my team. Sometimes it worked, and sometimes he'd predict where I was headed and I'd arrive the same time his frag did, heh.
Was I "camping" for Fisk? I suppose I was. But I also had to realise that if I camped too long I would be found and killed. So I would relocate, especially after I fired.

Basically, I think kicking people, while the host's perogative, is generally a poor thing. They -are- setting up a free location to play on. And I am thankful. However, if you boot everyone who doesn't play how you like...well...that's pretty close minded. They can limit weapons and equipment, but to try to regulate the use of the equipment they choose to leave in, well...that's kinda poor form in my book. But then again, it is thier choice.

I think, the question you have to ask about the whole "camping" issue is this...
"Are you mad because campers are making the game less fun and being "dishonorable"? Or are you mad because they just killed you with a tactic you couldn't counter easily?"

All is fair in love and war...and this is not a love sim.

WulF-Krigan

P.S. As for the whole CT teams don't camp arguement...well, see. CT teams do...before they breach they camp the parimeter. But also ask yourself, if you are on the CT (counter terrorism) team...then who are you opposing? Or CT teams (which makes little sense) or are you against the terrorists (since you are the CT team)?
And I think terrorists (esp w/ hostages) -do- camp, camp often, and camp well. Play as a terrorist or play as a CTer the choice is up to each player.

P.S.S. This game is just a more complicated chess. You will use a stratagy, they will use another. It's just a matter of who picked the stratagy that counters the other person's stratagy the best.
Maybe it's more like a game of "tag" when your friend runs around the house and you chase him. If you loose sight of him you have to wonder if you should double back or if you should keep running and hope he -thinks- you will double back or if you double back hoping he thinks you think he thinks you think he's going to stop so he keeps running into your trap or you run hoping he thinks you think that he thinks that you think...well, you get the idea. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

XyZspineZyX
02-06-2003, 07:07 PM
smegsmegsmeg wrote:
- IM sorry just had to vent after being kicked off a
- weakass server because I was camping. I killed all 4
- of them and suddenly they werent winning so like
- little girls they kicked me.
- Sever is !!LOADED!!
- They are just girls they cant stand it when someone
- beats them so they have to kick.

If you don't like a server, then leave and find another. I swear people act like they should have all the rights on the planet on other people's servers. I don't know how many times I've heard the following:

"Why do they lock views?!? Its so gay!"
"WTF they restrict xyz gun/explosive/equipment?!?"
"Why did they kick me because I was camping?!?"

If they don't like you, they have ALL the rights in the world to kick yer sorry *** off their server. Don't like it? Fork out the dollars for a T1 grade or above connection plus server hardware and man yer own RvS server. Otherwise, live and learn, and abide by the admin's rules.

Its not rocket science people.

Now about camping in general...It is a pure defensive tactic, and should be used if and only if:

1. You are severely outnumbered from the get go (e.g. 8 vs 5, which rarely happens due to auto-balance). ALL 5 should take up defensive positions and work together to try and stay alive. You should NOT camp if during the game your team got wiped and its you against the world, because more than likely they have the skills to take you out, yer just delaying the inevitable. I've seen some guy called PistolPrince in 1 vs 6 after his team got wiped and the solo lone wolf went around the map and layed ambush to all 6 on the other team and won, with a .45 no less. I've never seen a camper do the same. They'd get at most 3-4 kills, but their advantage gets nullified by next round, and they just get creamed.

2. You are defending a position/asset. Kind of pointless in team-adverserial, since you are trying to eliminate the other team as quick as possible. Your assets are MOBILE (as in, your teammates) and instead of camping you should be watching their backs by picking up the rear echelon, or find a spot and provide sniper support (e.g. windows in csl).

Given cover and concealment, it takes much less skills to camp than go offensive. But I don't know why people whine about campers. HBS is allowed on most servers, if you don't know how to use one, LEARN. I don't know how many campers I've rooted out with it, especially vs green in import-export where they just camp on their spawn and wait for red to charge through the 4 door no man's land. W/out HBS it just takes teamwork.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention:

1. Sniping is NOT camping. If yer dumb enough to rush out in the open without checking if you have your own sniper cover, then u deserve to get wacked.
2. Ambushing is NOT NECESSARILY camping. If the ambusher rushes to a place and waylay some tangos then move around the map, that is not camping. If someone rushes to a choke point then just sits there for the rest of the game, THAT is camping.

XyZspineZyX
02-08-2003, 04:00 AM
There is a diffrence to campin IMO... I tell ppl they are campers when they stay at spawn, wont leave there spawn, and duck or what ever tryin to be sneaky at there spawn thats why i love the hbs. Seems to me ppl complain when the last person alive lets say will call that person a camper when he beats them 1 v 4 just cause he had to play sneaky on them. There is a diffrence in matches if the same squad does the same thing everysingle match i say that is campin when in some maps you can not harm them with flashes or etc they just gett easy pickin. This is a exploit and most ladders allow it as long as they dont have anything moded. In a public server diffently a big one, I can not stand ppl who will just try to camp its lame for the other ppl who actually try to accomplish the objective and have to wait the whole 5 mins everytime. Like When its 4 v 1 and the 4 ppl are campin that 1 guy out thats a shame. I mean show some respect to the folks waitin to make it that way.

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XyZspineZyX
02-15-2003, 06:21 PM
Another server, same stuff. Im kickin *** sniping YES WITHOUT MOVING and I get kicked for camping.
Come on guys, if you wanna charge around the elephants go play quake or deal with the fact that this game requires a little more patience and care.

XyZspineZyX
02-17-2003, 06:04 PM
I am not a noob and kill a lot people with strategic camping.

XyZspineZyX
02-19-2003, 02:06 AM
I agree that it takes less skill to kill when you are a camper. The skill is NOT getting killed by a camper. I have spent many, many, many hours of my real life training so I am not killed by a "camper". It IS a highly effective tactic. But it is not 100%. There is nothing I LOVE more than killing a "camper" because s/he had the advantage and still died. People camp because it is effective. If you take away it's effectiveness, they won't use it.

Yours Truly,

SRT287
A proud camper


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- campers really have no skill since they just wait in
- corners until someone comes along. they're too
- scared to get up and look for other players so
- waiting for someone is the ONLY way they can get
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XyZspineZyX
02-22-2003, 05:25 PM
It is this image, this perception that it the heart of the problem.
Campers do not sit with their sites on a door and wait for it to open. C4 ers do and thats fine too.

Campers camp a spot for the purpose of waiting for a target to come into view rather than going out and seeking a target.

This mean finding a spot with a good all around view of the kill area, and responding to movement to adjust aim in order to get a shot.

Sounds alot like SNIPING doesnt it.

XyZspineZyX
02-23-2003, 09:12 AM
im gonna be very constructive in this thread:


campers s uck @ss big time!!


there is nothing more annoying that a little ***** that camps his spawn with his little C4 and his little jammer. he doesnt move all match long and just hopes someone is gonna walk in. these people should be booted.. and i will not hesitate to boot them myself

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XyZspineZyX
03-01-2003, 06:42 AM
Do we need a seperate section for the sniping/camping discussions?

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XyZspineZyX
03-02-2003, 03:46 PM
FOR FU*KS SAKE WILL U ALL STOP MOANING!!!!! I HATEEEEEE IT WHEN THE GUY WITH A SNIPER RIFLE KILLS ME FOR THE THIRD TIME INNA ROW!!! SO I TOOK A HB SENSOR AND FLASHBANGS AND MP5 AND WENT ON COUNTER-CAMPER DUTY AND ****D HIS AZZ!! BUT DID I WHINE WHEN I WAS BEING KILLED???? NO!!!!! I DIDNT I SAID "good shot u gimp http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif" and "mmmmmmmm is that marshmallows i smell burning :P" eventually he stopped camping HOW DID I DO THIS ???? I asked him to stop I HAD NOT RANTED AT HIM I had complimented him throughout the game and it was my server and i said "could u give it a mis for a while mate??" and he said "k" it may have had soehting to do with the fact that i was intemitedly killing him wile on counter-camper duty :P but i was also my good will and sportsmanship that turned him around he didnt even know i was the server!!!!!!

my point???? if a camper is bothering u go on counter camper duty with a mate CAMPERS ARE REMARKABLY EASY TO KILL on rs, in gfames like counter-strike were there was usualy only 2 routes around the map campers were frigging annoying
BT on rs theres like 15 differetn routes and LOADS of cover. DONT WHINE JUST GO AFTER THEM and make them pay for heir "crimes" :P ITS REMARKABLEY EASY, IF URE WHINING IT MEANS U HAVENT TRIED DOING IT!!!!!!! U WHINNING BAST8RDS


AND ppl RESPOND TO SPORTSMANLIKIE ATTITUDES if u give them the mataphorical hand shake after each match they'll feel better about any POLITLY WORDED REQUESTS FOR THEM TO STOP. 7 OUT A 10 times when ive asked POLITELY theyve stopped

as for this theory about "if both sides camp then the game is a drw..." its bollocks ive been in plenty of servers like that and after a few minutes about half of each team get, equip their pistols and dam well attack !!!!!!

CAMPERS ARE PPL TOO (i camp on occasion)

AND REMEMBER IF U CANT PLAY NICE (thats campers OR assaulters) THEN DONT PLAY AT ALL U WHINING F*GS MOST TRULY GOOD PLAYERS JUST DONT WANT TO KNOW

PEACE AND GOOD WILL AND ABOVE ALL THAT MAGIC WORD....sportsmanship

XyZspineZyX
03-03-2003, 09:23 PM
If you camp in our servers, u can gurantee yourself an early boot.

ANYONE can camp. How hard is it to wait for someone to walk by and claymore/shoot them? A 5 year old can do that.

We played in a ladder match where 4 of their guys was in their base on streets with remotes/claymores. It was almost impossible to get them because there is really only 1 way into a base on streets. And if the team is half decent, a claymore and good cover will prevent that.

So I asked them "why are you guys camping so hard?". They replied, "We can't even make it outside without getting killed".



Pretty sad when your so afraid to go outside you would rather camp in your base and draw the match out.. Shows how much skill some people have.

XyZspineZyX
03-04-2003, 12:05 AM
WTF mate????? if i was having my *** ****d i would stay in and camp !!!!! and DUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH didnt u know you can dispose of claymores by shooting them ERRUGGGHHHHHH (******) AND because tyhe house is so small a couple of tear gas grenades can BLIND EVEYBODTY IN DER or why not just throw frag in through the winfows to bouce down da stairs???? are u thick or something. NOBODY bar NOBODY gets kicked from my server (funky dsl quick sh8t) for camping, if it REALLY annoyed me they would (i.e. tkers get in insatnt ban if they persist) but im sorry STREETS IS THE EASIEST LEVEL: TO GET CAMPERS ON (im an assaulter mit g36k tear gas and hb sensor) if you cant kill them ure just a whining newb

XyZspineZyX
03-04-2003, 01:16 AM
i have read the whole of this topic and this is one of the only entries i have totally agreed with!I dont personally have a problem with camping(i am good enough to know the main camping spots and keep an eye on them!)is you know that there is going to be a camper in the area why do you still run in there and then when ou get shot you moan about them camping (THAT IS WHAT FBS ARE THERE FOR!!)eddies also says about ambushers.These are the people that win on this game.They servey the tactics of the opposing team ans see where they rush and how they rush they then set up a nice lil spot and cover the walls wiht the brains of the opposite team!!i.e.on import export at the green spawn.there are a set of stairs and a door at the top.everyone knows that the reds like to rush up here and come from behind.So i set up a clay more and hide next to the boxes.they rush in.....get blown up and then shot to peices!THEY THEN SAY IM CAMPING!IM NOT!!!im just purely using my common sense and trying to kill the other team(isnt that the objectives?!)this is ambushing.Camping is where someone sits around in the same place all round waiting for one kill.If you are anygood,youll use this to your advantage,lob a nade in or a FB and its a free kill!!easy!

thanx for reading this and i hope your not totally bored /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
03-04-2003, 03:11 AM
Remember kids, caps make you look smarter

XyZspineZyX
03-04-2003, 06:08 AM
I get accused of camping sometimes because when I hear someone coming into a room, I take cover to ambush them. I don't sit around in a room all day or let a match end in a draw if I'm the last man on my team. I'm almost always on the move, until I hear the enemy nearby and then I place myself in a strategic location. I wouldn't consider this camping, but some people may tend to think I was probably sitting there the whole time waiting for my next victim.

This game is about realism and strategy. If you're running around rooms without even checking for hostiles, then you deserve to be gunned down. Sure, it is annoying when there's one or more players who find the most secret location and hide there until the round ends without the intent to do anything but survive.

As far as kicking campers, that should be left to the admin since it is their server and their rules.

Isn't it wierd how in a Real-Time Strategy, it is frowned upon to rush your enemy (makes the game less enjoyable if it ends too quickly) hehe /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif




Message Edited on 03/04/0305:09AM by Muhnk

XyZspineZyX
03-04-2003, 04:45 PM
i totally agree campers are INCREDIBLY easy to kill , if ure whooping an enemy team u can be sure some clever bugger's gonna leave a lil suprise for u!! that why i always take incapicitating grenades!!!! campers are some of the eeasiest to kill coz der SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO easy to flank and destroy, u guys should come in my server (funky dsl quick sh8t) its on around 7 till 11 (night) brittish time

XyZspineZyX
03-04-2003, 06:09 PM
Um ..... If you hate campers good. Get in there and get them. This is a counter-terrorist force game.

When terrorists take a bank or a plane, they wouldnt give a crap about the cries of "quit yr camping" from the special forces down on the runway.

They make time based demands (theres youre game clock)

They barricade themselves in and set up a defensive perimeter. (theres your campers)

IT IS YOUR JOB TO ELIMINATE THEM. (theres your game)

You cant votekick an enemy in the real world. Eliminating a threat by kicking them is a hell of a lot weaker than staking out a chokepoint.

And ps. the dead dont get to complain. so ... stfu

XyZspineZyX
03-04-2003, 06:45 PM
anzfodder wrote:
-
- Um ..... If you hate campers good. Get in there and
- get them. This is a counter-terrorist force game.
-
- When terrorists take a bank or a plane, they wouldnt
- give a crap about the cries of "quit yr camping"
- from the special forces down on the runway.
-
- They make time based demands (theres youre game
- clock)
-
- They barricade themselves in and set up a defensive
- perimeter. (theres your campers)
-
- IT IS YOUR JOB TO ELIMINATE THEM. (theres your game)
-
-
-
- You cant votekick an enemy in the real world.
- Eliminating a threat by kicking them is a hell of a
- lot weaker than staking out a chokepoint.
-
- And ps. the dead dont get to complain. so ... stfu
-
-
-
Dude this is funny!!!BUT IT IS SO TRUE!!!
and for christ sake stop argueing over a subject that is worthless.Campers arn't going to go away or stop their habits so get used to the fact and learn how to get around them!And another thing HAVE FUN!!! ITS A GAME!!!

XyZspineZyX
03-09-2003, 08:14 PM
Camping is a good way to survive in the game. There is nothing wrong with camping at all. In my TWL matches most of my strats are to camp on certains maps only.I have been kicked out of so many servers for camping and its so stupid. Just because you get killed by a camper doesn't mean everyone should kick you out. I have been killed by campers many times and I dont complain, after all it's a game and there is no rule on this game that says no camping. So I want to tell every camper out there to keep camping it up and set up those tents and kill some people.


Oh yeah, if an admin gets after you about camping then go to sniping. Find and area that is good to snipe the other team and if the admin bi*ches at you again just tell them you were sniping. But the main thing is "THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH CAMPING".

XyZspineZyX
03-10-2003, 05:43 PM
Someone above mentioned about hearing someone and stopping.

I hate getting accused of camping because I listen as well as look.

I have seen so many people with the ridiculous expectaion that you must blitz at all times or you are camping... what? you slowed down and crouched? CAMPER!!! Hey, you shot me first? CAMPER!!!

I have no problem with campers. I have a problem with camping being the "C" word though. Many people have said it already - campers are easy prey because they are always in the same spot. If you can't get them out, whose fault is that?

As for servers kicking people for camping, that is fine so long as they state what the conditions of playing on their server are. I think it is pathetic to kick people from your server just because they are better than you. As for the argument that it is their server, so they have the right, it should also be considered that the software they are using is licensed by Ubi, and that they need to abide by the user agreement. I think that Ubi should make a note in the agreement that establishing a server should follow some rules, as it can negatively impact the people who play their games.

If you constantly run into servers where it is essentially "let me win or leave," how much would you be enjoying the game? Would you want to try their next game knowing that the only servers that are likely to be out there are full of little pussies? Not likely.

I stopped playing CS because I ran into too many people who ran little playgrounds as opposed to open servers. If I killed them 3 or 4 games in a row (rushing, camping, whatever) then they would just say "cheater" or something like it and kick. It became pointless to play. I spent more time looking for a decent server than actually playing. And I wasn't the best player on the server, just someone who was in the right spot at the right time. If you want to run a personal playground, lock the server and only invite your friends.

Hmmm... this turned into a rant... oops.

Anyway, I have had some of my best games playing against campers - trying everything I could think of to worm them out of their holes. And when I succeeded, I felt really good about myself.

In then end though, it should be a game about fun, and leave the "skill" for the tournaments. On an open server with no rules posted, anything should be fair game.

XyZspineZyX
03-12-2003, 08:10 PM
yoshimitsu_10 wrote:
- I agree with you. Camping doesnt mean playing bad.
- It means the player who is running around like an
- idiot and killed by ppl who is just sitting down and
- wait for your foolish. Camping is a clever way to
- win this game.
---------------------------------------------------------

I fully agree.It is a great pleasure to see idiot - runner killed by a camper. This game is about realism and idiot running is not realistic at all."Mom, that camping guy killed by friend - AT team member on his friend's funeral" - silly, isn't it?

Those who say camping takes away pleasure from this game, go play quake. Pleasure in this particular game comes from overwhelming SMART not IDIOT enemy, and assaulting does not mean "shooting to idiot- running guys like me and getting furious when some halfbrain is shot by a guy behind a crate.

Those who say that if anyone would camp there would be only draws are obviously wrong. There is always a team which is willing to go for a win, even after initial stalmate. And it must be a very good camping to deny well coordinated team assault...

Some people are obviously mistaken what this game is about.
This is not QUAKE! Stealth and realism are part of this game. You must not only outshoot by also outsmart your enemies.And if you do not understand that mission is designed as "team survival" not "team bloodbath" and one of each AT member's PRIMARY goal is not to get killed - I say again: go play quake.Guys like you really destroy mp in this game, but if you like it its ok. Just name your server "idiot running" and anyone who is not a bloodthirsty teenager excited to get some beer or seeing adult only action (sory guys with some maturity - this is generalization)will avoid it.

If you do not - stop kicking out guys smarter than you. If your style of play is idiot - running you would probably fail any psycholgical test (not to mention IQ test) to qualify as AT team member in any country.

XyZspineZyX
03-12-2003, 09:29 PM
Camping is a strat, but like all strats it has a weakness. Play a mpa enough times and you learn where people like to camp. Use this to you advantage. Tear gas, frag grenades and the rest can help ou here. There is nothing more I love to do then take out a camper. On the otherhand, when I am the only member left alive I use what I call a camper crawl. Sit for a sec see what you can then go. Repeat previous step. Like I said all strats have weakness, mine included but use what works best for you and kill all the campers you can.

XyZspineZyX
03-19-2003, 08:39 AM
I have been playing first-person shooters since wolf3d. And every game since then its been nothing but crying and whining. WHO THE HELL CARES!!! ITS A DAMN GAME!! all this BS makes me wanna stop playing after many years of fun.

If you dont like the way someone plays then leave... but you might as well stop playing, cause every server you connect to there will be a camper.

Please dont whine, it just makes me happy when someone says nice job, or well done. Instead of CAMPER, or NOOB.

XyZspineZyX
03-19-2003, 06:24 PM
All of you people are newbies if you dont like camping. Go play your phucking Cs/quake/unreal Wanna be rambo sh1t. and get the h3ll out of this game because this game is all about tactics. and its your nub @ss fault that you didnt look around the coner or look at your hb and radar. And about those whinners that cry about the C4 GET OVER IT WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY PUT THAT ITEM IN THE GAME. (LOOK AT ME IM RUNNING THREW IMPORTS AND IM GOING TO GO SUICIDE BOMB WITH THE c-4 IN MY HAND)

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STOP WHINNING ABOUT CAMPING ITS A TACTIC

Message Edited on 03/19/0305:47PM by Sir_Famas

XyZspineZyX
03-19-2003, 06:38 PM
Whats your problem with girls?

XyZspineZyX
03-19-2003, 06:51 PM
You know what they need in this game. a LAW that would be so great.

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XyZspineZyX
03-19-2003, 06:56 PM
Oh yeah another thing. All rushers do is get the g36 run around oh look i see someone *duck* and then they just spray. They give you way to much ammo. The only pros i see are people going around with single shot/burst. I think the USA is going to be a problem because of this 50 slugs!!! LOOK AT ME SPRAY!

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XyZspineZyX
03-19-2003, 07:32 PM
Covering a door or a corner is a tactic but WaitingInTheFirstDarkCornerISeeTillTheRoundEnds isn't a tactic.



[Sarcasm mode]
Real Life CT action:

SWAT_Member: OK, bad boys, you are camping!! Now move your *** out off the bank!!

Terrorist: Nah!! You are weak!! You are weak!!
[/Sarcasm Mode]

XyZspineZyX
03-19-2003, 08:30 PM
I propose something for all you campers....get together in your own game. Right off the start, I want all of you to rush to your favorite spots. See who wins. Oh, and set the time limit to infinite, I want this to be an enlightening match.

XyZspineZyX
03-19-2003, 09:54 PM
Damn, I just did that 5/5 Oh my god, that was a fun game no one b1tched about camping like all those other idiots games lasted like 4 minutes. Thx for that idea anticamper it really worked out because people had to fight for there spots. All of you should try it.

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XyZspineZyX
03-19-2003, 10:53 PM
Well, good for you, even if you didn't follow the rules. Unless, of course, you all fought for the same spot. Must have beena lengthy fight, considering none of you actually posess the brainpower to figure out how to run and shoot at the same time-it's a difficult concept, I know, particularly for those people who consider camping a viable, or "realistic" tactic. Anyhow, I hope you enjoy more games of this variety-it'll keep you out of the way of the chaps who actually want an entertaining game.

XyZspineZyX
03-19-2003, 11:34 PM
Lmao, How isnt camping a tactic? I don't understand that. and how is it for noobies? its not cheating. And its easly beaten. I think all of you people that camping is gay or w/e. Dont play this game this is suppose to be realistic and thats how it is in real life. like someone said about a plane. What do the terroist do? OH THEY CAMP HUH! They guard the base isn't that amazing? And all you people that want to play for fun or they say sh1t like that go play quake for gods sake cause this game is suppose to be for realismn

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XyZspineZyX
03-19-2003, 11:40 PM
"and how is it for noobies? "
Noobs can't fight. Campers can't fight. Hey, a perfect match!

"How isnt camping a tactic?"
Doing nothing isn't a tactic.

"Dont play this game this is
- suppose to be realistic and thats how it is in real
- life. like someone said about a plane. What do the
- terroist do? OH THEY CAMP HUH! "
Yes, they do...and Swat teams going in after them don't. Interesting, eh?

XyZspineZyX
03-20-2003, 12:54 AM
hey camping is truly a tatic think as if this were real life... would you be running around trying to find death, if u are stupid u will and being a sniper isnt camping are u going to go into CQB (close quarters balltle) with a god dam sniper rifle... again stupid move so what do u think


___ run out like an idiot get killed and wait 4 mins and whatch others get killed


___ not exactly camp but be slow and swift and dont make a lot of noise but stop ever once in a while


___ stay and stop be the sniper and be the gun and get a hit when u can injure and help ur team mates by picking them off

i would go for the second one...i hope you wuould too and camping isnt that bad...



-Life sucks get a helmet
-Denis leary

XyZspineZyX
03-20-2003, 01:39 AM
Pie your a newb. Why else do they make hostage mission or that bomb mission. Why is it called Team survival or Survival? These all have the same thing in common. You have to guard something. Wether its someones life your life or one of you objectives. In real life i don't see the terroist running around from there hostages.


P.S. Camping does take skill got to listen and determain when there coming.

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XyZspineZyX
03-20-2003, 03:31 AM
Yea, total noob....only played RS for what, three years? Haven't got RvS yet, but I plan to do so soon, and as gameplay is essentially the same from RS to RvS, according to various reviews, I cannot justly be called a noob to the series. Survival? Tell me, where does this imply that you need to sit in a corner and wait for someone to walk by every five minutes? If you are guarding hostages, that isn't camping. It is the point of the game type-a single type, not the whole game.And you only have to guard the life of another one of your team members if they camp, too-gotta love circular reasoning, makes for lovely logic, albeit easily defeatable.

XyZspineZyX
03-20-2003, 03:35 AM
Actually, if this were real life, I wouldn't hide in a corner and hope that all the terrorists would magically disapear. I'd move around, and kick their asses. And no, you don't go into a firefight with a sniper rifle. You go in with something small, and accurate. Use a sniper rifle for actual sniping-yes, sniping is different than camping, but I needn't get into that with this post. And, when I run out in most games, I don't get killed and wait till the game's over. I run out, get into various shootouts with other real players, sometimes win, sometimes lose. Gun down the occasional camper-it's all good.

XyZspineZyX
03-20-2003, 03:59 AM
As i said before Newb, Go play your q3/unreal/ what ever rambo game you like. As for survival. Survival means to keep alive. Doesn't seem like when you run around not looking around conors like rushing newbs do all the time is survival is it?

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XyZspineZyX
03-20-2003, 05:09 AM
Why do you keep calling me a noob? Your little camping brain too underpowered to come up with something a wee bit more inventive? I shouldn't be surprised if it were so-I mean, your are putting forward an attempt at defending camping, after all. And survival is not sitting around waiting for the fight to come to you. Survival is being mobile in order to avoid danger-THAT is surviving, avoiding any conflict whasoever. Of course, if no shots were fired in a game, odds are it wouldn't be to widely played. Well, the campers would probably see it as being quite exciting, and purchase it, and everyone else would be quite happy to have them out of the way.

XyZspineZyX
03-20-2003, 06:47 AM
Well newb, I don't know why you can't assult a camper and kill him why do you have a problem with campers I really don't understand why newbs like you cry about campers so much.

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XyZspineZyX
03-20-2003, 07:34 AM
Namely, I do assualt campers and kill them. Why do I, as you put it, "cry" about campers? Namely because they make an otherwise entertaining game into some hideous rendition of a first date between two grade fours. Dull, painful, (not in the "ow crap I got shot pain area, but the "man this sucks" area) and hardly worth ones while. That's why I don't like campers.

XyZspineZyX
03-20-2003, 07:46 AM
Newb, How bout not play this game?

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XyZspineZyX
03-20-2003, 08:37 AM
Why not? Afraid that I'll win? That would be the most reasonable reason I've seen emerge from that ganglion at the top of your spine since this discussion began.

XyZspineZyX
03-20-2003, 06:19 PM
Newb, That wasnt the question.

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XyZspineZyX
03-20-2003, 09:58 PM
Beachbum 6 has a great point. Camping is a good tactic, and it's useful, but it shouldn't be anyones only tactic. Use cover, recon, smoke some people out, frag 'em. But don't kick campers out, because you can't be bothered with the HB sensor before you open a door or climb a ladder. As for those who camp and snipe, remember if you are being sniped then you could have shot back too had you seen them first. I'm not saying it's not annoying to be picked off, but it's part of the game.

XyZspineZyX
03-22-2003, 05:50 PM
You kiddies need to stop biAtchin and whimeing about someone sitting on thier ***!!! It is a tactic. I have been playing this game since 99and i got one word for you biAtching kiddies. LAME You get insecure in your own ability's and whine cause you got killed then need to take it out on someone. How childish and pathetic , you idiots shouldnt even be playing this game , HEY WHY DONT YOU GO PLAY QUAKE OR SOMETHING!!!!

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 04:56 AM
Famas, I find it amusing that you seem to deem it reasonable to (attempt to) insult me for my stance on camping, when you have been unable to defend your views against what I said. Oh, and your answer is no, I'm planning on playing the game.

Guy at the bottom-You can call people childish after mastering a grade two spelling level.

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 09:49 AM
Defend his views against what you've said? That sounds like a verbal assault by any stretch of the imagination. What makes you think that you even deserve a reply to your prods at people's viewpoints? Insulting people doesn't help your case, Pie. As for "camping..."

There are several different viewpoints to the issue, and I personally side with the ones that say that it doesn't exist. There are no weapon/ammo/health spawns in the game to "camp" on, first off. Secondly, your beautiful argument of "If everyone camps, no one kills" doesn't work. Have YOU ever seen this happen? I've been in some pretty long games between friends on LAN (40+ minutes per round) where all of us have nothing but sniper rifles. Slow? Yes. Boring? Not to me, tension actually MEANS something. However, I can imagine that not only could you not sit still in one place long enough to see an entire match, but you'd also be spamming the "hit the ready button" message with 5 seconds left on the ticker.

Playing defensively to someone else's blind rush is *gasp!* an effective tactic if properly implemented. Setting up LMG positions (w/ crossing fields of fire, if possible), claymores, remote charges, and the well placed sniper position can help your team (remember that aspect?) defeat the opposition. Sitting on the spawn point is suicide in most cases, and the people that do so have very little clue about teamwork or tactics, but kicking them because they're "camping" doesn't help them either. How about this...

The next time you start flaming someone on a server for camping, how about asking them to cover your rear/flank? Or pointing out positions where they can intercept the enemy? You'd be doing both them and yourself a favor. And you wouldn't sound like an idiot in the process either.

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C Company
8th Engineer Battalion
1st Cavalry Division, III Corps
"Multum in Parvo"

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 01:43 PM
i realllly like that server and he did the right thing.
smegsmegsmeg wrote:
- IM sorry just had to vent after being kicked off a
- weakass server because I was camping. I killed all 4
- of them and suddenly they werent winning so like
- little girls they kicked me.
- Sever is !!LOADED!!
- They are just girls they cant stand it when someone
- beats them so they have to kick.
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XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 03:23 PM
Camping is a tactic. one few games use correctly. R6 is (single player) a game of objectives while several NPC's camp an area.

Same is true online. Thier are tools to defeat campers, first of one. Brains. Yes, use them. are thier dead people in front of this door? Yes, probly a camper, use a grenade, or heartbeat sensor to find out.

do I camp? yes some times. I like to use a varity of styles.

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 04:49 PM
Can I just make a few points;

Camping is not skill related.

e.g. in March 2002 I was ranked best Global Warfare player in the world (GW = HL mod).

I normally finished top of any server I play as long as i join in the 1st half. In cs I can quite happily take out 3 ppl with 1 clip of a smg then another 2 with my pistol. In short I am probably a more skillful player than 95% of the ppl who will read this post.

AND I LOVE CAMPING!!!!!!!!!

There is nothing quite like waiting in 1 point for 2 mins, then to take out 5 of the opposition who r conming in from the doorway i have been watching.

If you are a good player you will know where all the camping spots are and where ppl r most likely to hide - so u can easily deal with the campers.

The ppl who complain are the ppl who only get kills by luck and normally fail to kill the camper even when they know they are there.

My advice? - GROW UP!!!

Complaining really isnt going to get anything done about it - the only way to stop ppl camping is to continually kill them when they try. Not moan about it on some forum that the truely bad campers will certainly never read.

Sorry to rant but it really winds me up when ppl moan about camping - IT'S PART OF THE GAME U MORONS!!!

Get over it.

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 05:07 PM
Campers... Oh, you mean, the smart people who are using a tactic and setting up a field of fire. Perhaps even interlocking fire with another "camper" who is dug in or behind a barrel or in a window of a building?

Everyone whines about wanting a certain element of realism in this game. Yet in reality. A squad DOES NOT run around to and fro. A Squad in a defensive posture will "camp" or "stand to" until an order from the Squad leader is given to advance. Then and only then does the squad move up, 1 person at a time. Taking cover every few feet to cover the next person when they advance. It's called a Fire Team rush. "I'm UP, they see me I'm DOWN" mentality. It's smart, it's useful, and it works. It keeps you alive.

So is camping bad? Hell no. Does camping label you as a coward? A n00b? No, it doesn't. It's a GAME people. Get over it.

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 10:59 PM
At least Rogue has the ability to make an argument-nothing special, of course, but a signifigant improvement over Famas.

"I personally side with the ones that say that it
- doesn't exist. "
So, what do you call a person who sits in a dark corner of the map for an entire game? A "smart" player?

"I've been in some pretty long
- games between friends on LAN (40+ minutes per round)
- where all of us have nothing but sniper rifles.
- Slow? Yes. Boring? "
As mentioned above, real sniping is a good thing. Sitting behind a box for five minutes straight isn't.

"However, I can imagine that not
- only could you not sit still in one place long
- enough to see an entire match, but you'd also be
- spamming the "hit the ready button" message with 5
- seconds left on the ticker. "
See, when I play online, I actually pay good enough to not need to hide in one place for the duration of a game.

"- Setting up LMG positions (w/ crossing fields of
- fire, if possible), claymores, remote charges, and
- the well placed sniper position can help your team "
You see, tactical use of this I have no problems with. As long as the given player is covering a heavily traversed area, and a lot of it (I.e. snipers), 'tis okay.

"And you wouldn't sound like
- an idiot in the process either. "
And he close with an insult. Not quite up to snuff, but I'm sure he can figure out how to do it effectively given a few months.

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 11:05 PM
"Campers... Oh, you mean, the smart people who are
- using a tactic and setting up a field of fire. "
Interesting how you continue to call them "smart" when the reason they do camp (with rare exception) is because they lack the intelligence to aim and move at the same time. That, or they have severly ******ed reflexes.

"A squad DOES
- NOT run around to and fro. A Squad in a defensive
- posture will "camp" or "stand to" until an order
- from the Squad leader is given to advance."
They do not run around blindly...duh...but they don't sit behind a box for the whole of a mission either.

". It's a GAME
- people."
Isn't calling this just a "game" a wee bit contradictory to what you just said about tactical combat in defense of camping?

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 11:10 PM
I said that they are committing suicide. I view these people in the same light as those that don't clear rooms as they go through them. They deserve the fate they get for overlooking a well-hidden remote charge or placing themselves in a position where a frag is inescapable.

As for the insult, take it as you want. I think that people that cry "camper" without offering constructive advice ARE idiots. If that applies, so be it.

The game is about teamwork, and having people cover your back is an integral part of that package. Through the process of helping others learn strategies and tactics that work, the community gains valuable new members. By kicking people off of servers for the simple use of remote charges and claymores, that learning process is damaged. Insulting the ones that don't offer anything for 5 minutes creates resentment, rather than improvement.

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XyZspineZyX
03-24-2003, 12:13 AM
Haha...oh my. I've seen some god awful comments, and some ok ones...

First off, Sir_Famas stop calling people newbs or n00bs or w/e, $5 I could stomp you 15-0, ask Adax. Now I will admit there are times when I liked setting up a claymore/c4 combo on green spawn of Import-Export to get idiots to rush out and get some mad hang time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif...but I didn't do it every game. And tactics? Haha...I've been rank 1 in the world if you care about that ladder I guess, and I'll give you camping is a tactic. The problem is, when it's a necessity. If all you can do is camp, you're not enjoying the games full potential, and you're hindering others fun to enjoy it. Though you may not realize, when you get kicked that is usually the reason. After you're not a complete newb anymore you couldn't give 2 squirts of piss about your stats, as long as you can get good ones when wanted. You see this is just a game, so play it like a game. Now all my points are towards open games, in ladder it is just an accepted rule that camping is basically the way it goes, unless you put a top-notch team vs a bunch of newbs, then it's a race to the kills.

Some people only play this game for open games, they like to use the bad *** graphics and leet guns to mow people down, if they want to run around having fun, care-free, let them. You don't have to be some ***** trying to be an internet hard *** "I just tactically elimnated your dumb *** cause you run around playing this game like a game, haha n00b." or something stupid like that...I get that all the time then I play serious and pound the "poo" (edited so my post could be completed) out of them...And taking out teams usually requires teamwork. You put me on a team of 7 john does, and I basically have to single-handedly take out 8 campers, that's no good. Campers ruin fun games for everyone, it's a game, play it like one. If you want to use "tactics" go over to Iraq and be a Tactical Genius I don't care...or just give up Adversial and play nothing but Coop, I was using tactics and different weapons, team ways, etc, just this morning...it's a blast...Play the game like a game.

XyZspineZyX
03-24-2003, 02:13 AM
this might actually generate some groans and moans but here is my thought on balancing the camper issues:

i suggest then an increase in the HB Sensor range. if you park a G36K with C-Mags in a corner with boxes for cover, that's quite an offensive challenge... IF you manage to survive through it. so i suggest that increasing the HB Sensor range would even out the camping issues. the added range will give players who are assaulting, a better chance of detecting the enemy. and if the "campers" say it's too powerful, then use a HB sensor too.

if there arent any serious balancing issues, im afraid we might be seeing alot of servers where nobody moves and just sits and hunkers down

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XyZspineZyX
03-24-2003, 02:23 PM
I find it amusing how people "talk smack" about how good they are and how they could take anyone out in this GAME. Emphasis on the word GAME. This is a video game people. Behind the keyboard and mouse your gut may be hanging over your belt because all you do is sit at your computer all day mastering this game so you can "take out" all those n00bs who actually have lives, (Or in some cases like myself, do this in REAL LIFE) and don't have time to spend hours upon hours mastering this GAME...

Of course after reading a bit more into the concept and "point of view" which some of you view camping as, it is more understandable. Although not completely accurate. So a camper stays in one spot, or moves between two or possibly three camp sites and takes out enemy when they are spotted? Does not a sniper perform the same function?

All in all this is a debate which can go on and on forever and all will happen is insults will start flying. The people who think they are "the sh*t" will declare themselves as "Ultra Uber Elite Killers" or some such nonsense, and the people who play this game for FUN and RECREATION will simply shy away and seek more mature players to have fun with. Thus staying away from the children and chidish adults.

XyZspineZyX
03-25-2003, 01:27 AM
Uh, maybe its because the game is an assault game??

Had a brilliant thought for an awesome game.
- 2 people
- both campers
Wow, that was fun, laid there for 5 minutes and nothing.
Next game same thing, phew, can't take much more of this intensity.
Next game, wow, 15 minutes gone and all they have done is lay there doing nothing. Now thats what I call money well spent.

XyZspineZyX
03-25-2003, 04:59 AM
Mmmhmm. If both people are defensive minded people, then I imagine that your particular brand of Fun(tm) isn't going to be appealed to. But I ask you this... Have you ever seen this happen? Two people (or more) join a server or start one themselves, and everyone do what you describe?

The rationale is that if there are apples and oranges, and only apples are in a basket, the basket is terrible. For a person that dislikes apples, sure. But for a person that likes apples (or both), the game is fun. So that's a 66% chance of having everyone pleased. Even if both are apples.

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XyZspineZyX
03-25-2003, 05:21 AM
I think it really depends on how the person is camping. I know a lot of people think that campers are just people that sit in one spot and get cheap kills, but a skilled "camper" can do some massive damage when they don't just camp one spot. i.e. If the person is camping for short amounts of time, moving from camp to camp, then they will own the map. This is because they are defended, then attacking. I use this tactic a lot, and it scares the begesus out of the enemy because they don't know whether to peek, rush, or camp themselves.

As for kicking out campers that sit in one spot, that is totally lame. If all they do is sit there, why would it be so hard to rush them with only two people? It's not, you just have to know how the other player thinks, and what the most likely scenario (or least, depending on opposition) will occur.

XyZspineZyX
03-25-2003, 10:46 PM
The bottom line to this thread is like the story of the old bull, and the young bull wanting to run down the hill to get to the cows, and the old says lets walk and service them all! Youth of today ARE IMPATIENT SPOILED BRATS who throw a fit if you do something they dont like! Lack of maturity raises its ugly head and takes the point in name calling and backbiting, CHILDREN get over it and dedicate your servers or password them, then you get no campers and we dont get the WHINING BRATS who respect NOTHING, also we get TACTICS ALL DAY LONG, Simple solution for simple minds...............SEE wasnt that easy?


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XyZspineZyX
03-26-2003, 04:34 PM
Camping in a pub is anti-social. I hate waiting for a match to end because one person is sitting behind a door, prone. And I hate having to watch them sit there if I'm in observer mode. It's like watching liver slide down the wall.

People here are defending it as a valid tactic, but jeez, do they get *any* enjoyment out of the game at all? These are people who are willing to stare at a wall or a doorway for 5 minutes in hopes that someone will come running into their sites. Isn't that kinda boring? Just a little?

And yes, the skill required is exactly equal to pressing a single button at the appropriate moment. Campers suck, period.

-Zag

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 03:09 AM
Nothing wrong with camping. It's a fair tactic that requires the other team to use a little skill to get rid of you. I've never ever played on a server in any game that was adversely affected because someone was "camping". Usually people who complain about it do so because they have no concept of tactics and lose because of it.

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 04:42 AM
Ok Its thier server so they can do as they please. but eventually they will not have any players on. I was accused of camping the other day and booted from a server. Quite funny though. Me and one from the opposing team left I ran all over the map looking for him. I eventually ran up behind him and killed him. He said I was camping in a bush. After they kicked me all the players that were on my team told him what an arse he was and left his server. I dont have any idea who they were, they just didnt like him booting me.

As far as how I feel about campers.

Some one that doesnt move the entire game is lame....but to each his own. If I hear you In an area near me I will stop and wait. If I am playing with my clan and a room is a popular pass we will set up an ambush. If I am wounded I may move and stop move and stop. I will not lay on my belly for a whole game. There is only one way my opinion changes on this subject. SNIPERS ARE SUPPOSED TO CAMP. Snipers do not have a weapon designed for CQB. Thye should find the best vantage point and secure it, thus leaving your team mates freedom to root out the campers.

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 12:26 PM
Wilvoeka, I agree.

Moving and stopping is just fine. Listening for footfalls and laying an ambush is fine, and snipers aren't necessarily campers. Further, temporarily staying put in a strategic chokepoint at the beginning of the map is usually smart.

Snipers, however, usually move from spot to spot occasionally to avoid being molested once they've made themselves known. I have no problem with this, and I respect a sniper for *not* choosing the flavor-of-the-month assault rifle/smg and going with the far less wieldy long rifle (although the Vintorez is pretty much an assault rifle in its own right).

I do however, have a problem with people who situate themselves in a position that is difficult to assail, or is a really obscure location that is difficult to track down - thus trying to ensure their survival. They stay there for an unreasonable time, waiting for someone to (hopefully) come into their FoV. Snipers at least are scanning a large, usually open area, and are willing to move about if it isn't a fruitful one. Campers will often sit in a small enclosed room, close the door and wait. Or sit at the top of a staircase, or in some out of the way nook hoping to survive the map...etc...etc...and they do it for the entire map! It's lame, and it contributes nothing to the team except mind-crushing boredom if and when he is the last person on the team left.

This isn't real life, it's ok to die - you'll respawn in the next round - have some fun with it. The best players really DON'T camp, and campers know this. Go ahead, investigate your surroundings, hunt!! It's what makes the game go 'round. I still fail to see the entertainment value of staring at a virtual wall or door for 5 minute intervals - especially if nobody falls into your trap. And I fail to see the satisfaction one would get from getting a kill from someone who fell into the trap. It's not like you can say to a friend, "I got an excellent kill today! I sat there facing a doorway and someone walked into it! Isn't that sweet? You want my demo?"

Happy HUNTING -
Zag

XyZspineZyX
03-29-2003, 06:31 AM
lol this topic is so lame and retro allready... but heres my 2 cents. Put mr Pie-TheAntiCamp is a school over run with tangos and see how fast he gets his *** in the girls washroom and hides in the corner with his m16.Not a single thing wrong with campers out there.

XyZspineZyX
03-30-2003, 01:54 AM
Ok, now here is what I believe. Is camping a tactic? Yes, it is. This is agreed by all. Some believe it is a weak tactic, some believe it is an awsome tactic. Look, the first week most poeple play, they camp. It takes a while to get used to a game, so why not go in slow and learn some stratagies, right? Fine, thats A-OK. I am sure everyone will agree with that as well

Here is where camping becomes a problem in my book. It gets old to see the same person, in the same spot, over and over again. sure you learn and kill them quickly as they camp the same spot. However, it just gets old. It is also annoying when everyone, except two people run out and kill each other. One may fall to the camper on the opposing team, but after a minutes and a half, all that is left are two campers, each sitting in their bases. All everyone else can do is sit and watch as time slowly ticks by.
The clan I am in does not mind the occasional camper, or if they are new and camping. We understand this. However the others get irratated with constant camping, because when two people camp out an entire match, waiting for the other guy(who is camping) to run thru a door, it ruins all the fun. It can kill motivation to play that level, or even to play until that person leaves. It is reasons like these, people boot campers.

There are also servers out there who just do not allow camping, period. There are also servers who do not allow frags, smoke, gas, or HBSs. It comes down to the fact that you are on some one elses server. You must respect the house your at. If it is not your house, respect the house rules. If you do not like the rules of the house, then get out. This common rule goes for any place. Any billiards hall, any bar, any bowling alley, and any shop. People all have different opinions. Some contradict, and that is why we have issues such as these.

Bottom line, respect the house you play in. If you do not like their rules, host your own server, its not that hard.



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XyZspineZyX
03-30-2003, 05:11 PM
OK, now Camping can be good or bad. I personally don't camp and 'wait for them to come'. Many see camping ONLY that way, but camping can also be used as a defensive position. Camping I think is EX: IN Streets, hiding behind the aisle/shelves on the ground aiming at the entrance and picking them off when they come. I think that would be caming. But, if it's a team thing, then It's DEFENCE! EX: Streets again. If the other team assults like crazy and you can't stop them, then you can plant a mine next to both entrances, and have others guard. You can even snipe at oncomming chargers from upper windows. Now THAT should be called TEAM DEFENCE CAMPING/GUARDING. I see nothing wrong with that. If the admin boots them for that, then that is wrong. Defence vs Offence. It's a stratagy, not a crime. Surely the admin can't boot a whole team! So don't camp if no one else will. Only camp with your team! Not by yourself.


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XyZspineZyX
03-30-2003, 05:39 PM
"The biggest problem with camping is that if EVERYONE does it, there's no game. You can't argue with that, so if you camp EVERY single time, yes, you're a borderline cheater simply because you're forcing someone who just wants to have fun playing RS into a very underhanded position."

Came a voice through the babbel of tongues.

XyZspineZyX
03-30-2003, 05:56 PM
This argument drives me nuts. . .

Sometimes, I like to snipe. Does it make sense, as a sniper, to get up and run around like a heavily armed chicken with your head cut off, using a weapon that has to be steadied in order to be effective? HELL no - snipers, by definition, "camp". Watch "Enemy at the Gates" and learn how to fight.

Besides, that's what grenades (and counter-snipers!) are for.

XyZspineZyX
03-30-2003, 08:44 PM
i have a mixed view on camping. I think just sitting there, hoping someone is going to cross ur path and not moving in any way is stupid. But if you know someone will be going a certain direction, and you wait for him, then im all for that because that is tactics and thinking ahead. But just waiting for someone to walk by is dumb IMO.

XyZspineZyX
03-31-2003, 06:32 PM
I 100% agree with the topic starter. People who hates camper show that they have weaknesses in anticipate unexpected situations.
And to cover up their weaknesses they flame those people as campers.
How you become a true good player if you can't anticipate any unexpected situation and good only in swearing and abusing? How you will say you are a good player if what you are is the actual noob, especially in Raven Shield, where the developer has emphasised that this is not a game like CS/Quake.

You really need patience here, patience will grow as you become mature.

XyZspineZyX
03-31-2003, 08:29 PM
HAHA okey then u camp me camp game will never end he... every one who replyed this are campers lol

XyZspineZyX
03-31-2003, 08:57 PM
HI. I've not read every reply in this thread but i scanned most of them and I have one observation. I thought the term "camping" originated in FPS games when a player would stay in one spot, usually next to an area where a weapon or modification would spawn. Hence the term "camping" that area was born. Sinc RS does not spawn weapons or mods, wouldn't a player staying in one area be more of a sniper?? Maybe that's just splitting hairs, but to me, there's a difference. Running around full speed shooting at everything that moves is a tatic. Staying in one spot and sniping is a tatic. Setting charges on a door and blowing it when someone opens it is a tatic. On and on.... they are all tatics.

My friends and I who play RS view it as a realistic combat sim. As such, anything you may do in a real life firefight would be a valid tatic. I wonder how many of the guys in Iraq right now think sitting in one spot and picking off the enemy is not a good idea?

Yes, but this a just a game so what it boils down to is play the way you want and find people and a server that caters to your style of play. In the end, just have fun because tomorrow you could die.

PHX

XyZspineZyX
03-31-2003, 08:58 PM
Well....do you want it from a guy who is wanting to be a sniper for the a SWAT team and spends my time hunting and things like that....or do you want it from a guy whos dad was a USMC Sniper...well I will give you both examples...camping is a tactice(tragic but true) but it is a pu$$y tactic....Frags do help...but seriously I hate tryin to change to frags toss it in close the door, pull out my gun count 1, 2 , 3 and then let it go boom. I just want to be able to quietly sneak up on someone(somehow impossible in this game unless you are in a proned position) and just say on the all chat line....You're Dead...and shoot him in the head....Campers are a pain the ***....I despise them cause they don't know how to take out an AR or a MP5 or something like that and take care of things that way....if you want to camp and your Clan approves it by all means do it....but don't expect people who own there own servers and don't like campers expect to keep your @$$ there. Ok I got my rant on...sorry/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
04-01-2003, 06:41 AM
camping is a clever way of winning the game...even in real life, special ops forces dont jus run around crazy shooting at anything that comes by, they wait patiently, use the shadows and environment to their advantage, trying not to be detected, etc...this is not Unreal Tournament 2003 people!especially if ur a good at sniping, ofcourse u gotta camp, snipers dont run around...camper killas are jus haters cuz they keep losing.

XyZspineZyX
04-01-2003, 04:06 PM
I like campers behind doors very much.

And especially the appropiate tools to deal wih them, like claymore mines, explosive charges and frags... :-)

XyZspineZyX
04-01-2003, 04:10 PM
I guess the opposite of a CAMPER is a RUSHER, somebody running around all the time and firing dozens of shoots without hitting something ...

XyZspineZyX
04-01-2003, 04:31 PM
Sounds like this topic is hot here as it is in Ghost Recon But I don't care if people camp as that is there strategy and tactic. Being a CQB style of game I can see how it could ruin a game if everyone camps and there is no seeking of the enemy. As Swissguard has pointed out run and gunners don't last long over my way in no respawn games./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif



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XyZspineZyX
04-01-2003, 05:23 PM
Camping(Sniping) is part of this game - why did they include sniper rifles do you think? - was it for aesthetics - no it was for SNIPING - which generally means keeping your *** down and shooting from a distance. It is up to your enemy to figure out a way round -

I admit that i have been frustrated by snipers in the past but it is down to me to figure out a alternative tactic not to cry foul and start asking for people to be kicked or shouting cheater.

as the guy a couple of post back said - if you have a sniper rifle then there is only really one way to use it - it would be far more stupid to see snipers running around trying to outgun assault troops in CQB -

I have no problems with Camping - sniping as i like to call it although i rarely choose this mode of combat as peronally i find it a touch boring at times.

A good sniper can own a map and win you the round - all power to the camper er..... i mean sniper.

XyZspineZyX
04-01-2003, 06:27 PM
To: Whiney lil *****s

This ain't CS. There IS NO CRYING IN RAVENSHIELD!

Honestly, "camping" has been around since the dawn of time. Notable Campers in history:

Spartans
William Wallace
Alamo Defenders
Everybody in World War I
Everybody in World War II
The Vietkong

Present Day:
North and South Korea
Iraq
That guy at the bottom of the stairs on penthouse

This is Rainbow6, you've got flashbangs, frags, smoke, teargas, thermal scopes, oh yeah and TEAMATES. So you got killed by a camper, now you're going to cry about it, and boot the camper? Seriously grow a pair, adapt and overcome.

To: Campers

Be cool about it. Sitting on your duff while EVERY1 else is dead is NOT COOL. If you want to be anti-social play single player.

Also don't let them get away. If you're camping your happy *** off, and see some schmoe run by, outside your killzone, looking like he's not coming your way any time soon...GO AFTER THEM!

-DT/03

XyZspineZyX
04-01-2003, 08:09 PM
Everybody in WWI and WWII camped? I suppose all those action shots and films of soldiers running were faked?

The Vietcong? They didn't rush the Marine barracks alongside the NVA during the Tet OFFENSIVE?

Hrmm...seems to me that if everyone camped during a war, very little territory would be exchanged.

We can all get together and try an all-camp server sometime...the dominant rule being that nobody is allowed to run around, but I bet a couple really (and I mean, really) interesting things would happen:

1. The maps would ALWAYS end in a draw.
2. Nobody would get any kills

Sounds like a blast.

XyZspineZyX
04-02-2003, 12:45 AM
Good mapping is the key to this camping/anti camping discussion.


Capming is part of this game. There are enough tools in the game to help eliminate campers, ex: frag granades, flashbangs, smoke gragades, HB sensor, voice communication, etc. These tools all help you and your team reach the so called campers to eliminate them.

If there is no means of reaching the camper, it is the map creater's fault for creating an unballanced map. One exaggerated example would be to have a map that is one long hall way that is 200ft long, connecting the two teams spawn points. The map only offers one strategy to kill the other group, not allowing the players any choices of flanking the other team.

If you are complaining about campers because you rushed into a room and got shot by a sitting enemy, go back to Quake. Good RvS player would cordinate with other players to clear the room using all those tools in the game I have mentioned.



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XyZspineZyX
04-02-2003, 08:40 AM
I have been known to patrol an area and clear the terrain and leave a soldier in a set location to protect our @ss from a rearward assault. I'm a realistic gamer and if placing an team member in such a position is called camping so be it. His job it to protect our six while we push forward and this style of gaming gets rotated among us so all gamers can enjoy the different aspects of tactics and strategy.

You be surprised at how many people comment when joining our games how they really enjoyed this style of gaming and team work. You just have to explain at the start of a game that this is how it works and soon everyone is working together and thinking ahead and communicating there every move and each squad leader is reporting and answering to the leader.

Rotating the command makes each gamer think faster about each situation he comes across and can issue orders. This style of gaming isn't for everyone but allot of gamers always return for more. My 2 cents worth/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
04-02-2003, 12:44 PM
It's good tactical but it doesn't really come to the real skills.

Just planning.....

XyZspineZyX
04-02-2003, 07:37 PM
geez this post is sttill going, why cant peopel get over the fat, peopel are going to sit and snipe you, it just means you have to get better at your tactics to take them out.... makes the game interesting.... i keep hearing a quote in peoples sig's and stuff.

"fool me once, you got me, fool me twice, shame on me"

something like that...... so IMO people will snipe/camp whatever you want to call it, but the point is, you have to learn ways to get around them and beat them at their own game.

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04-02-2003, 09:45 PM
Complaining about campers is for people who lack the skill to kill them


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XyZspineZyX
04-03-2003, 04:59 AM
I want to make something perfectly clear here.
I mean, clear as REAL PURE WATER or crystal even.
CAMPING is NOT SNIPING! They are two totally different intenties.

Sniping is Ok. you're moving around and killing people. You are NOT sitting at a door way waiting for people to run by.

Killing campers can be easy, killing snipers may be hard. Of course, killing a camper can be hard the first couple times... but then you learn where they are and where they like to run to, and you can use them for Frag practice.

Like i said...i want reitterate something i said. There is nothing wrong with camping... However, there are times for it, and times not to do it. like when its one on one.. the camper has no skill if allhe does is sit and wait for one lonely tango.

At any rate, as long as you respect the rules of where you play, there is no beef. Some dont mind camping, while others do. Camping is part of the game. Like i said there is a time for it.. like if you see a guy running right at you and you duck down and take him out thats one thing... when you sit somewhere for the entire round, just waiting for someone to come to you, then in my book, that is bad camping.

Just respect where you play and remember, there is a cure for everything. No matter what people tell you.


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XyZspineZyX
04-03-2003, 06:00 AM
I don't mind the ocassional camper, killing him last is the icing on the cake (thinking about CS brings tears to the eyes).

But imagine a server full of campers, how fustrating and boring is that!

Server rules could impose a "no more than 1 camper per team" rule.

Also I think campeing for beginners and young kids to the game is ok. It gets them use to basic movements and builds their confidence to try point to point moving then team running.

camping for experienced players? well?
thats slightly weak. like wasting talent because
it does not take much skill to just use your left mouse button
while putting yourself at a low risk of death map position.

XyZspineZyX
04-03-2003, 10:16 AM
Certainly allot of threads to this post!
Anyway my views for what their worth are this....

I find that people only really complain about camping because they are getting killed by so called 'campers'.
I've camped on occasion, and find when the tactic is working and you're getting lots of kills, you're also getting abuse, but when the tactic doesn't work, then no-one really cares, read into that how you like.
Generally I don't camp, maybe a little at the beginning of the round (depending on the map), keep my back to a wall and wait for a few people to die first before coming out to fight, otherwise your likely to get shot in the back by some lunatic running around like a headless chicken.
I think camping is a valid tactic, I agree using it all the time is boring, but it should be absolutely valid to mix-n-match tactics to suit the current situation.
Personally I hate the fragrant abuse of grenades causing friendly fire, e.g. other players just not thinking before blindly throwing grenades in enclosed spaces only to find out that they've killed have their team!

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XyZspineZyX
04-03-2003, 11:27 AM
Well what can i say think Beachbum6 sums it up well!
Spot on BB6!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
04-03-2003, 02:48 PM
The bottom line is that we are all playing on servers and bandwidth paid for by the server owner or admin. If your style of gaming conflicts with the game they want to play on their equipment you will be told to change your ways or leave. This is within their rights as you are in their house. If you dont like their style find another server that caters to your tastes and quit your crying.

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XyZspineZyX
04-03-2003, 07:26 PM
camping really is part of the game..this game is meant to be played slow and tactfully...yet every server i see has a 4 or 5 minute limit and often i get "draw" matches because of these time constraints. In some games camping sucks but in this game camping gives little advantage...you have your options you can fight a camper with. he is probably using hb senor use pucks or blocker...or if he's usin an open area sneak around in nearly every map thers different routes to get to someone...camping in rainbow six isn't really a big dea...what about missions like bomb and hostage rescue where one teams mission is to camp and protect what do you expect them to do come running at you?? they aren't the ones trying to rescue or set a bomb. In real life are you going to run around or are you going to find a spot you find is good for ambush and wait.......IT SHOULDN'T BE CALLED CAMPING ITS AMBUSH GET OVER IT. without "ambush" or "camping" as you call it claymores are useless and remote charges....for these to be effective you have to sit and wait and wait and hope they come your way.

XyZspineZyX
04-03-2003, 08:39 PM
I think the operative word here is "adapt."

The people who claim that if everyone in the game camped then the game would be boring and would end in a draw are simply wrong, and this is just a shallow-minded excuse.

If you had a game full of campers, I can almost guarantee that the win will go to the guy who learns to sneak up on them and put a bullet in their back, or chuck a grenade into a room where one is waiting, etc. These are the guys that end up winning, and we've all heard them say how much they love campers. It's because they adapt to the situation and maximized their kills.

When you have only 1 or 2 campers in a game full of people running around, those campers are the ones that adapted to the situation to maximize their kills.

Rainbow 6 is obviously a game of stealth, so the ones who charge around and rely on their trigger-fingers to win are naturally at a disadvantage. They should be playing something like Quake instead.

The winners, I've noticed, seem to generally be the ones who find a balance between all-out camping and all-out running around. They move stealthily, but also will hole-up if they are at an important junction where they know the enemy will come down, or if they hear the enemy coming, etc. They are neither entirely immobile nor entirely mobile. They camp when it suits them, and then run when it suits them. These are the winners.

So stop talking like it's all one way or all the other. If you get killed by a guy camping, make a note of where he was and approach it carefully next time. Learn to adapt.

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XyZspineZyX
04-04-2003, 06:42 PM
HBS + Frag = Camper Flambe

XyZspineZyX
04-04-2003, 06:51 PM
1st I spent 8 years in the Marines, why is camping such a horrorible thing? you set an ambush and move on, maybe set another ambush.... I tell you the only reason I camp some times, is when HBS are being used....so I get a jammer, then some hb pucks, and set a trap... oh yah hbs are fantasy... if they really exist I've never seen one... as for the High capacity magines, they would never be used in the field... to much weight and where would you put them? more fanatsy....

XyZspineZyX
04-04-2003, 07:20 PM
I think that camping is a good tatic but when u camp for the hole game it sucks. Just sitting there wanking WOW!!

XyZspineZyX
04-04-2003, 08:35 PM
Man, I don't want to get flamed here. But this is the way I see it.

Camping is:
1.) Sitting in a corner or behind something not moving, shooting or anything the whole round.

Camping is NOT:
1.) Sniping out a window or crawlspace.
2.) Going prone for large arms stability in any area, etc..

Everyone knows a camper when they see one, but noone gets mad about it until they get killed by one. If you are the last person on your team, (all others are wiped out) and you have noone to back you up, of course the game turns from offensive to defensive, especially if you have more than one person searching around for you. So I would say that in a defensive situation it's acceptable, but not when the rest of your team is out there and could use your cover. Strength in numbers.

XyZspineZyX
04-05-2003, 01:50 AM
I see nothing wrong with camping, though it isn't my playing style. It isn't like Quake or UT where you can spawn or weapon camp.

Deal with it.

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XyZspineZyX
04-05-2003, 02:07 AM
Camping.. I do it but I use it wisely.. if the round slowed and all but me a the other guy is dead and many people are waiting I stop camping cuase its a game and to sit there and make people wait to start the next round is bein a **** and thats all I have to say about that.!

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04-06-2003, 12:30 AM
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XyZspineZyX
05-13-2003, 08:05 PM
I still camp, and I still OWN
All you can do is kick me, SAD

XyZspineZyX
05-14-2003, 03:07 AM
Man are you right!Same happened 2 me i killed 6 guys no deaths but i didn't get kicked no my teammate killed me.Of course i got kicked lost of times.If u wanna not get kicked then can't until everyone on ur team is dead then stop campin' works 4 me!

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XyZspineZyX
05-14-2003, 03:09 AM
sorry messed up CAN'T is suppost 2 be CAMP.SORRY!


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XyZspineZyX
05-14-2003, 03:26 AM
smegsmegsmeg wrote:
- IM sorry just had to vent after being kicked off a
- weakass server because I was camping. I killed all 4
- of them and suddenly they werent winning so like
- little girls they kicked me.


Dude, are you sexest or something! tho i do agree with you they cant win so they get rid of the enemy

XyZspineZyX
05-15-2003, 06:03 PM
1st id like to say CT teams arnt "running and shooting all the time" you will notict that thay walk quickly and if thay can ambush a terrorist thay will because it is less dangerous to let them come to you than to go to them.i snipe with an m16 becouse it as a combo of sniper and assalt rifle.i lie down(or crouch)where the other team will have to go.if its watching one hall way fine by me.ive gotten many kills just by watching one door.i can slice a room well and can move and shoot very well.but i like sniping.i kill campers just 4 fun but almost never find one.if a camper is waiting in a small room with their gun pointed at the only way in, they are camping.but if they are watching a populer road they are sniping.

dont tick me off.im running out of places to put the bodies.

XyZspineZyX
05-16-2003, 04:10 AM
i have only played the demo but it seems to me that people really hate campers(well the majority of people), because the "gung ho" players dont hae the brains to tactically clear an area of all it opposition. Yall say that campers r scared and r dumb fer hiddin. but yall r the dumb 1s fer not thinking bout ur assault. Thats the way i see it and, well, i reckin thats how it is maybe


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XyZspineZyX
05-16-2003, 11:49 PM
do you ever shut up? ur the weak one waiting in a corner for someone who actually plays the game to come n find u

smegsmegsmeg wrote:
- IM sorry just had to vent after being kicked off a
- weakass server because I was camping. I killed all 4
- of them and suddenly they werent winning so like
- little girls they kicked me.
- Sever is !!LOADED!!
- They are just girls they cant stand it when someone
- beats them so they have to kick.
- LEARN TO DEAL WITH EVERY KIND OF THREAT
- YOU ARE WEAK
-
-

XyZspineZyX
05-17-2003, 12:23 AM
smegsmegsmeg wrote:
- I still camp, and I still OWN
- All you can do is kick me, SAD

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XyZspineZyX
05-17-2003, 12:23 AM
i somewhat camp all the time when i find the people are using cheats or just plain old rushing. if they need to be the fastest soldier, then you go right ahead, but ill get you. Non-noob camping is only a response to others stupidity. I think you should kick out rambos, there isn't any fun in the game if its about tactics and all that happens is people just run towards you like lemmings.

XyZspineZyX
05-17-2003, 12:31 AM
Supafly132 wrote:
- i somewhat camp all the time when i find the people
- are using cheats or just plain old rushing. if they
- need to be the fastest soldier, then you go right
- ahead, but ill get you. Non-noob camping is only a
- response to others stupidity. I think you should
- kick out rambos, there isn't any fun in the game if
- its about tactics and all that happens is people
- just run towards you like lemmings.

Theres a perfectly easy way to humiliate Rambos in games.
Get control of the server, and restrict C-Mags.

Other than that watch the endless waves of idiots that are about to charge toward your position. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
05-18-2003, 07:43 PM
THIS SHALL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING AT ALL! GOT IT??? There is no point in complaing wheather you hate campers or love them cos its tactical. Only a small part of the people who play the game use the forums. + what r ubi going to do about it? Nothing!!! they can't can they cos there is too much contreversy over it. Lets just cut the thing about camping k........

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XyZspineZyX
05-20-2003, 09:40 AM
i dont know if anybody has said this or not because i havent got the time to read 6 pages of different opinions but in real life you cant complain about 'campers/ambusher's' and if you get shot you get shot you cant really do anything bout it if they want to camp its there choiice if they want to be stupid and run around and say 'am here am here kill me kill me plz' its their choice let them be

XyZspineZyX
05-20-2003, 03:56 PM
Campers are easier to kill then assult people running around. If you are dumb enough to just walk/run into an open room without using a HB sensor or FB the room, you deserve to die. Simply look for the camper with the HBS and toss a frag at 'em. People complain too much

XyZspineZyX
05-21-2003, 04:10 AM
if that was true should we tell the terrorist and future enemies of whatever country your from stop camping and play fare. Terrorist don't play fair and neither should us if you want this game to be realistic. Special Note: I don't encourange cheating it makes the game unrealistic. Realism as in camping,stalking or whatever cool tactics you have in mind. Hell maybe even use claymores at the entrances.

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XyZspineZyX
05-21-2003, 05:44 AM
campers with a assault rifle will be kicked from my server only if they camp with a sniper rifle i will not kick them!!!

with a assault rifle you assault!!!!!

with a sniper rifle you camp!!!!!!

XyZspineZyX
05-22-2003, 11:54 AM
I'm trying to put this in perspective for myself. Imagine if we were in a real war. Lots of people with guns are coming to kill us. What better way to deal with that then to look for a good place where I can hide and shoot whoever comes in after me? Sure, that's not what real counterterrorist teams do. They try to go in with the element of suprise and take care of business as quickly as possible. But, adversarial MP is not much like a real CT scenario. You know that they are coming, and that they will try to kill you. A reactive strategy seems perfectly logical. Keep a low profile and you won't get shot sounds like good sense to me. Sure its just a game, but the goal of the game is to get kills without getting killed, and camping seems like a pretty good way to do that so long as there are others who are willing to run around looking for kills.

XyZspineZyX
05-23-2003, 10:02 AM
giant_baby wrote:
- campers with a assault rifle will be kicked from my
- server only if they camp with a sniper rifle i will
- not kick them!!!
-
- with a assault rifle you assault!!!!!
-
-
- with a sniper rifle you camp!!!!!!
-
-
-
-but what if you have an Light Machiene Gun witch is a support weapon not an assualt weapon or a sniper rifle but a support would you kick people who use them for their skill??
-

XyZspineZyX
05-23-2003, 11:12 AM
First of all this is a game and you should not be afraid to die since you will respawn next round. Therefore most arguments based on real-life tactics should be deleted. If it was real-life then I'd probably camp too for sure. But this game is not real-life. IRL you could just lie down with a machine gun and spray the wooden buildings on CSL for example. Real bullets would penetrate any wooden wall with ease.
But think, would it be fun if everyone sprayed machine gun fire and killed each other without even being able too see their opponent? NO it's not fun. RvS sure is one of the most realistic games ever (not as realistic as the Close Combat series) but gameplay is more important than realism. IRL you could also blast the wooden walls with nades and charge through the hole, but this is a game. All games are made for people who want to have a good time and beeing camped is not fun, but you wont be killed by a camper twice in the same place if you have a brain. Next time toss a nade or just avoid the camping site until he's the only one left.

I dont like campers, but I do accept their tactic. And by the way, if you look at the tactics of elite players they do NOT camp. Good players "run around like fools" but dont get killed as often as others. I run around like a fool too, but I often get killed by others and sometimes it's a camper, but hey, it's just a game and I will respawn and kill him next round. =)

To sum up:
This is a game and not real-life. You can't compare a game with real-life in most aspects.

Gameplay is more important than realism.

If you get killed by a camper, dont get mad, get even and learn.

No elite players are campers.



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XyZspineZyX
05-27-2003, 06:32 PM
- First of all this is a game and you should not be
- afraid to die since you will respawn next round.
- Therefore most arguments based on real-life tactics
- should be deleted.

WTF?!

I think the developers idea of MP in this would bear a resembelance to RL tactics, Camping (firing from cover) is a RL and completely fair tactic.

XyZspineZyX
05-27-2003, 09:49 PM
Kicking campers is just getting rid of stationary targets, if you have the view that campers are easy targets why boot them - its a shooting gallery

XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 02:23 PM
smegsmegsmeg wrote:

- If the game LETS you do it, then its fair, legal, as
- good as any other way.

2 things;

1. When is this argument gonna stop
2. smegsmegsmeg is absolutley correct by saying this.

If the game sees it as legal, everyone else should play by it. If the game had rocket launchers, everyone would use them wouldn't they, but when it comes to camping, no-one wants to hear about it.
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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 05:28 PM
sounds good but if you dont like being kicked out of a server for "camping" go to a server that allows it./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 11:21 AM
175 posts. Sheez, that's gotta be a record for this forum. 6 whole pages of the same few arguments being re-stated over and over. No way in HELL am I reading these.

Guys, do you think you've covered it now?

XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 11:26 AM
the only post i bothered reading was shirocco's post, it just sums up how much everyone cares about camping, why dont u just ask the dude running the server if you can amp, simple as

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XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 11:17 PM
Camper is only good if you are in a Defense Mode. You have to defend the perimeter.

The America's Army Game, which has Offensive Team, and Defensive Team goes one on one.

Defense team have to stay in an area to make sure no one gets in.


In real combat you are on guard duty, and task to do guard duty, you have defend a point, ie, bridge, powerplant. All requires personnel to be within the area of responsibility.

There is nothing wrong with Camping and in real life, snipers camp, and you don't see their enemies complain. Since they are already dead.


Orion7 wrote:
- my sister was camping last night when sniping but
- this guy came around the corner and pop 4 hours into
- her character /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .
-
- However, it was the first time my sister and I
- played RainbowX x, so we are still adjusting.
-
- Moreover, camping is a valid tactic. This game seek
- realisms and camping is as real as it gets.
-
- in the sky lies 7 stars ... symbolizing the
- signature of a true warrior.

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2003, 07:20 PM
First off, let me say that I was totally awed by the title of this thread. I couldnt agree with you more.

I cuss so hard when i get taken out by a "camper". I have my spot on every map that i like to go to. Get 2 or so from there and move on. Never really in one spot for more than a minute. But hey, if half the other team is gonna run past my spot, i'll stay there a lil while longer. Yeah, i cuss campers, but i'm sure they cuss me too.

When i'm last man? You can pretty much put money on the fact that i'm not going far. I'll move some but not much.
I could care less if someone camps. I firmly believe it's called ambush. Others now refer to it as "tactical waiting". Whatever. It's a tactic. Come up with an alter tactic.

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XyZspineZyX
11-12-2003, 02:16 PM
TO MUCH CAMPING MAKE THE GAME BAD, ALITLE CAMPING DONT MAKE THE GAME BAD. ITS OK FOR SNIPERS TO CAMP AS LONG AS THEY WANT.

XyZspineZyX
11-12-2003, 11:56 PM
Hmm, Why do you whine about camping.. Its part of the game If you dont like it no one is forcing you to play it give me a break half the squads/clans hate it.. but its a fact that in a clan match the whole whining garbage goes out the window. say its you vs like 2-4 guys go out and do your Run-N-Gun garbage.. please in that situation you would be dumb not to camp. i camp not all the time but i do it, and i hate camping im am an assulter.. i use the FAMAS and i can kill alot of peeps.. so All the campers that like camping do it.. p¯ss all the guys that cant handle it. if it gets you kills do it.. they dont know ya..
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XyZspineZyX
11-13-2003, 01:21 PM
I agree with "Hedan" when the enemy has a big advance its okay to camp,but if it fear (one vs. one) will to much camping make the game bad.

XyZspineZyX
11-13-2003, 02:23 PM
One word: AMBUSH. It is a tactic that is discussed and taught in every infatry manual in every country that has an army. It is also one of the most commonly used tactics in actual combat and is perfectly reasonable in this or any other game. If you can't protect yourself against it, then you deserve to get shot in the back.

XyZspineZyX
11-14-2003, 02:41 PM
But to much camping isent good. U cant not always camp.

The wolf cant lay in his den forever, he most get out to hunt down a prey.

XyZspineZyX
11-14-2003, 08:43 PM
I dont like to camp, its boring. its better to do hunting.

Im a hunter, a sniper, and a terminator!

XyZspineZyX
11-28-2003, 05:15 PM
connmetal, the reason why EVERYONE doest camp is that usually one side has objectives, ie hostage or bomb. Terrorists feel like camping cause they wont get in trouble because they could somehow be guarding some things.
But i dont think the rescue squad would just sit at the extraction point and make it a boring game for EVERYONE.

XyZspineZyX
12-03-2003, 03:27 PM
This is a tactical(look it up) shooter. There is no tactics in running through the middle of the map with a g36ghey cmagged. Pop shots from corners and stealth is what this series is all about. And team work.

My ladder stats. (http://ladder.ubi.com/index.asp?gamename=RAVENSHIELD&ladderid=0&modeid=0&lan=en&FILTERCHANGE=1&SELECT_ALIAS=EXACT&INPUT_ALIAS=IDPA_Master&SELECT_COUNTRY=&SELECT_RATING=EQUAL&INPUT_RATING=&SELECT_KILL=EQUAL&INPUT_KILL=&SELECT_DEATH=EQUAL&INPUT_DEATH=&SELECT_COMBAT=EQUAL&INPUT_COMBAT=&x=41&y=10) Albeit not good.

XyZspineZyX
12-08-2003, 11:38 AM
real life: if a sniper killed one of the team members, they dont yell out camper and say its not fair cos he is camping.

RvS: ok look at the sniper, then think about what it is used for. now how do use the sniper properly? stand still while the crosshair is small and accurate. u can call campers cos they stay in the same spot the whole time, they are bad snipers/campers. a good sniper takes 2 or 3 shots then moves. seperate snipers from campers ok? they are not the same.

camping with an AR is different tho. with snipers, its not camping, its sniping!

I do not exist! But how can i say i do not exist when i have to exist to say that i do not exist? Bah!

XyZspineZyX
12-09-2003, 10:50 PM
For every ***in' schmo out there who kicks campers, let me tell you something about gaming. The goal of gaming is to make it as real as possible. In real life if you were to be shot by a camper...YOU WOULD BE DEAD. Can't kick that guy now can you? In addition, camping, which I do 20 percent of the time, is now having to be used much more because of you phags that mod your weapons and can confidently run into a room of 8 bad guys and magically kick everyones assses.
So die.

Love,
******rs

XyZspineZyX
12-10-2003, 04:55 AM
Heres how it really is "all is fair in love and war" this goes two ways....Snipers camp cus thats what they do... weather you hunt out or are killed by a camper will really show who is better than who...as for me I'd rather hunt out a camper because I'm just that good!

Don't spam the snipers!!!!

~~Arsenic

XyZspineZyX
12-12-2003, 12:51 AM
I think that camping is a reasonbly good tactic. However camping the entire length of a round is not. Im not annoyed by people who camp a spot for a bit and then move camp move, etc this is a good tactic but sitting in one place for the whole round is generally the way to go in R6

muskaforlife21
07-01-2004, 04:41 PM
YO!! i no i mean i there with like an PSG-1 and then there like move or get kick that sucks! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif its not fare *****s!

DireSpawn9200
07-01-2004, 08:28 PM
I remember in rogue spear when almost everyone was againt "camping".

But anyway, why cry about making a mistake about running into a camper anyway? I think the time on rounds needs to be raised and people need to use flashes, breaching charges, claymores, and most importantly... WORK AS A TEAM! You ever play a terrorist hunt, well wouldnt it just be AWESOME if people did that in a team survival, slowly approaching each other, leaning and checking rooms, a sniper to back his team up, flashbanging a room and charging, etc... just imagine. This game Rainbow Six Three is suppose to be a realistic game, so why not play realisticly? If someone camps you then camp them. I just wish people would play this game the way it was meant to be played.

You know what i think though, i dont think there is a thing wrong with camping. Now someone is going to want to copy and paste a small portion of what i have just said and rip it from limb to limb, but thats ok. Just as long as i have gotten my point across to at least one person.

[BGE]Tanhauser
08-01-2004, 10:51 AM
Ok... 10 pages worth of messages... I'm too lazy, so there's no way in hell I'm going to read all of that, so I'll just put in my two cents.

Camping and waiting strategically are two different things. For instance, if you're waiting to ambush a highly traveled path, it's valid. If, however, there's one person left on the enemy team, and your team has many, and you still hide in base, then THAT is camping. As for if the other team outnumbers you significantly, hiding in a secure place is a valid tactic, and is a smart thing to do.

However, each server has it's own rules. If anywhere they have it stated that camping is not allowed, then they should've kicked you. However, if they were just sore losers, and crying, because they lost, then by kicking you, they openly admit that you own them, and that they'd rather not get owned again by you. In which case, it's nothing more than a compliment to you.

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BlueAnubis
08-01-2004, 12:30 PM
I do agree that some camping is agreeable, other forms are not. Like [BGE]Tanhauser said, it's okay to camp if you're the last on your team and outnumbered greatly. But that doesn't give you the right to hide in the corner of the map surrounded by all sides with crates. In that case why not just blow yourself up and save everyone the time of waiting for you? But I do agree with hiding in the shadows to save yourself as you move around, or sniping a place with high traffic.

-Norm

|Ghost|-Joonas
08-01-2004, 03:13 PM
It's always fun and laughable to see a "camper" kill four people and then someone yelling at him, starting a votekick, calling him a n00b, sucker, lower and anything I can think of. It's fun when you start thinking that "How can he be a loser or a bad player if he just beat those guys..." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

EDIT: Oh yeah, I saw a... good(?) definition at some site. It said that defensive camping is considered good and offensive camping bad. What do you think?


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BlueAnubis
08-01-2004, 03:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>EDIT: Oh yeah, I saw a... good(?) definition at some site. It said that defensive camping is considered good and offensive camping bad. What do you think?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What the heck does that mean? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

Though I do agree that if he camps and wins, he can't suck that much.

-Norm

|Ghost|-Joonas
08-01-2004, 03:37 PM
*shrugs*

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[BGE]Tanhauser
08-02-2004, 07:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blue Anubis:
why not just blow yourself up and save everyone the time of waiting for you?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL, I blow myself up at random, on purpose, at times, just for the fun of it.

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TAT-Radox
08-04-2004, 06:35 AM
I agree also so i do *sometimes* camp but it depends, if im last man on team i dont want to **** it up, id like to attempt at victory not being gung ho and being cut down by smg fire.

The last thing youll hear when you face me will be nothing but the click of a bolt. Then everything will go black....

Towelie_01
08-06-2004, 01:40 AM
to me, there is nothing sweater than being the last man alive and rushing the living hell out of the other team and wasting them all.... Isn't that a lot better than camping it out? I've done it many times and i just get complimented to hell... Of course i only do that when i'm playing with a full server. Matches have gone down the drain cuz they turn into camp fests..

Sure camping has its benefits, i just find more pleasure out of rushing. If you get good at it you can't be stopped

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st4_unedein
08-16-2004, 12:45 AM
Camping is one thing, sitting in one place for nobody in particular.

Jessica, Proud clan member of TAT, go to TATClan.com for more info

amguy
09-05-2004, 11:46 AM
PEOPLE. LEARN TO SPELL!!!!!

Medion456
09-08-2004, 02:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by amguy:
PEOPLE. LEARN TO SPELL!!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

and you are prolly someone who only knows english? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sgt_Missfire
09-12-2004, 05:58 PM
it's not how easy it is to keep you cross hairs on a door, it's how good you are at breaching a room, if you are good enough you can take down campers. RVS is a strategic sim, in real life people take cover and set up positions from which they fire, rvs is based around those strategies.

SAS_Wizyud
09-29-2004, 02:50 PM
who came up with this thread...it's mighty popular. fact of the matter is that it's a game, and can be played however the player wants. if you wanna sit in a corner all day long looking at the same doorway...woo hoo for you...i'd get bored but hey...knock yerself out.

Another thing....those who ***** and moan about campers need to stop...noone can tell me that a camper can't be killed...just up your skill level and kill the damn guy...use your resources (FB, NaDES, HBS)..whatever it takes...campers can be killed soooo easily if you do it right...fly around the box with a famas and put 10 caps in him and see how he likes it...chances are he won't wait around next time for you to do it again...think about it...don't just run blindly past a spot where a camper can be...CHECK THE SPOT..even prefire the spot sometimes to be sure....SKILL TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER ALL...getting killed by a camper doesn't mean you got cheesed...it means you weren't responsible enough to ensure that you didn't!!!!! LAGG OUT!!

AoT-AssassiN
10-12-2004, 01:40 PM
There is a difference between the tactic and being scared. if you notice that a person does the same thing everysingle round, it is ok to camp and counter their attack. but if you just sit there round after round, then that is noobish.

HotBrass
11-12-2004, 11:30 AM
I love this thread because it goes to the heart of the game....kill or be killed.

When we are running a full server, hardcore camping is tolerated and eventualy the side who has a hardcore camper will rat him out over chat just to move the game along.

Nothing more entertaining than 3+ OPFOR's moving in on a camper. It's a thing of beauty when all are on comm's.

Rules are a lil different when there is a half full server, choke point camping is ok but blind camping will get a warning and a kick if it persists. A gimped player trying to search a large map for a room camper serves no purpose but to drain my valuable playing time.

A short stump speech on Camping: Tactic or Tragedy
2 vs 2, all hardcore campers
Results? 0-0-9 "the match is a draw"
Lets take peak at the chat screen......
Numb_Butt Says: Wow that was fun, my camping tactic whooped his tactic
Camp_Fire_Gurl Says: I wish they would make the rounds 4 minutes, these 5 minute rounds make the match nearly an hour to get through.
Rush_Kllr Says: Hey Butt ya wanna go find another server, theres no rushing morons to kill here.
Numb_Butt Says: Sure Kllr, no kills is starting to affect my ladder rank.
Squating_Dog Says: ggz all
Campfire_Gurl Says: Lock the server Dog, we need to work on tatics, I almost exposed myself to hostile fire

Recon_Reap
11-19-2004, 05:13 PM
campers to get alot of stick, i prefer to think of camping as getting a strategic position over your enemy where you can execute accurate shots without being seen straight away, i also call it sniping http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Shalashaka0721
11-21-2004, 01:59 PM
I was just wondering...
is it fair to camp when its one against 5?
Cuz thats what i did

Recon_Reap
11-22-2004, 12:16 PM
its ok to camp full stop, but of course it would be fine to use it in a 1v5 situation, when the numbers are not on your side.......camp

Philipscdrw
11-25-2004, 01:55 AM
Wow, I started reading this thread, marvelling at the antique formatting of the post, gradually got up to November, then December?? Then all through a year back to November again. This thread is nearly 2 years old! It should be pickled in formaldehyde and placed in the Natural History Museum!

I've come from the Il-2 Sturmovik boards, which used to feature vociferous debate on the 'vulching' tactic - vulching is flying over the enemy airbase and shooting aircraft as they try to take off or land. There isn't much that the other side can do against a vulcher, so the servers started putting lots of anti-aircraft guns around airfields.

And RTS players don't like rush tactics...

Someone should create a scale, like Political Compass, showing where you rank from 'mindless sit-behind-a-crate-all-day-by-the-spawn-point' camper to 'mindless-****-the-torpedoes-charge-across-the-map-with-a-big-assault-rifle', going through Ambusher (who moves quietly from room to room, placing demo charges), Sniper, Breacher, ect.

If the campers annoy you, equip the right equipment and go counter-camper!

If everyone charges mindlessly across the map, then you get more campers. Mindless chargers are surely just as bad as mindless campers? After all the chargers are feeding the campers.

ESS_Death
11-25-2004, 07:20 AM
i was banned from a server called :

rapz-europe.net [P1] @ raies.de

there was the whold red team alive & he told me to stop camping i was gimped & was against all 8 & then i get banned from the server..

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif puflume or something like that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
i think it is kinda n00bish when they do that & i think it must be stopped!!
there was also another person who was camping even worse than me.
he was camping in spawn every round & never got kicked or banned & i got banned after 1 round http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif