What About Releeshan?

[stewscotia]

Why haven't they continued the story of releeshan from myst 3? In the beginning we were supposed to explore releeshan before seveddro stole it. So why havent they created this age in uru? Or will it be continued later on? Just curious.

[stewscotia]

Why haven't they continued the story of releeshan from myst 3? In the beginning we were supposed to explore releeshan before seveddro stole it. So why havent they created this age in uru? Or will it be continued later on? Just curious.

[JIB]

[Minor Myst Spoilers]
I believe that Myst 4: Revelation may just do that. I mean we have to visit Atrus again and deal with his sons and so he'll definitely have Releeshan with him, I believe that is where he finally settles down at, leaving Tomahna. We may even meet him on Releeshan in the beginning before we start our journey. It is not that far from the cleft to Tomahna I have been told.
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From the DPWR: Tomahna (http://www.dpwr.net/archive.php?showarticle=465)
Tomahna is the name Atrus gave to the new home he built on the surface of Earth for himself, Catherine, and their new baby Yeesha, after the events detailed in the Book of D'ni. His part in the restoration of the D'ni Civilization over, Atrus turned his attention back to his family. It is important to note that Yeesha's references to the Cleft and Tomahna are to illustrate that they are the same Age, not duplicates of one another. The Linking Book you receive at the end of your quest for Yeesha links from Relto back to the Cleft on Earth, regardless of which panel you choose to link through.

The property on which Atrus' home is located is very barren and desert-like. During the intial explorations of D'ni by the Uru Explorers, Dr. Watson let slip that Tomahna is several miles from the Cleft. The home itself, however, is something of an oasis, situated high above a broad valley, with a plant-filled sunroom overlooking it.

Atrus and Catherine moved to Tomahna, abandoning Myst Island, because of the overwhelming memories of Sirrus, Achenar, and their intricate and destructive deception.
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Since Myst Games go in chronological order and do not go that far from where the last game ended: Atrus' Myst Linking Book fell through Star Fissure to Earth-Stranger links from Earth to Myst-from Myst to D'ni to free Atrus-from D'ni to Riven to stop Gehn-falling through Star Fissure from Riven to Earth-landing in Tomahna on Earth along with, few feet from volcano,the Star Fissure Telescope. And you know the rest from there, it is then not a far stretch to say that we get to Tomahna from Uru some how.

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[Tweek]

Dont hold your breath Releeshahn wont be in myst 4, Ubi dont have the rights to it. Cyans keeping it to themselves for something.

Tweek

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[AnubisSL5]

sorry to say but........my dog /cat /bird /LLAMA /pig ate it.

"Somebody sent us up the bomb"

[maztec]

my understanding is that ubi doesn't have full rights to it. they can do parts as ok'd by cyan.

heh, who knows what we'll see though

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[Alahmnat]

JIB, Uru is not part of the Myst chronology; it takes place approximately 200 years after Myst, Riven, and Exile. Revelation will pick up from Exile's ending, but Uru still stands far in the "future" compared to the rest of the games.

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[MidevilDragon]

Maby Ubi do have rights because isn't Rand Miller the owner of Cyan? and he is in Myst 4.

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Edited to delete deplicate posts.

[This message was edited by Whitch2 on Mon April 19 2004 at 03:17 PM.]

[Cierdwyn]

Wow ... the acoustics in here are amazing ... anybody else hear that echo? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

Cierdwyn

[Whitch2]

LOL @ Cierdwyn! I sure did....from all the way out in my backyard! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

All fixed now. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[JIB]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
It's one of those ages we never get to see again, ever.
(Sniff) Bye, bye, Releeshahn.
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Enough of that, just play Exile again and you'll see it. Seeing ages played long ago in other Myst games just doesn't seem possible, too many realistic issues involved, money, resourses that sort of thing.

I remember seeing the Riven book in Exile, but that age died. Maybe we'll see Releeshan on a shelf or under glass somewhere, so close yet so far.

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Perhaps the ending has not yet been written. -- Atrus
The gathered will tell of the path of the shell (http://www.pathoftheshell.com/). 33395/ 58/ -81 -- Zandi
I have many questions but not many answers, at the moment. -- Dr. Watson
Uru Live is Being Put to Bed! -- Rand Miller
Did you bring the donuts? Fool! -- Cyan Worlds -- Atrus

[Lady_Aliana]

I'm hoping they'll get around to it eventually- no real reason they shouldn't- all of this is copyright Cyan, and the games are still getting made, so that's no barrier. :-)

What I want to see are some of Katrin's "impossible" ages...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alahmnat:
JIB, Uru is not part of the Myst chronology; it takes place approximately 200 years after Myst, Riven, and Exile. Revelation will pick up from Exile's ending, but Uru still stands far in the "future" compared to the rest of the games.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, if you remember that Yeesha is the baby Katrin was holding at the beginning of Exile, and remember that she is only 1/8 D'ni and would age pretty much normally, it looks like Uru is between 20 and 30 years after Exile, basically however old you think Yeesha is.

(For the D'ni blood ratio, before someone asks: Atrus 1- D'ni, Gehn- 1/2, Atrus 2- 1/4, Yeesha- 1/8, as none of the mothers were D'ni.)

Also, we know that as of the beginning of Yeesha's quest to alter the course of the reconstruction, both Atrus and Katrin were still alive, and Katrin has only a normal life span and looked to be in her forrties when she had Yeesha, so even if you use her life span as the limitation, it can't have been much more than forty years at most. Keep in mind that she had had two adult sons before Yeesha was ever born, and you might even guess her at a well-preserved fifty when she had Yeesha, which pulls it in yet shorter.

[This message was edited by Lady_Aliana on Thu April 22 2004 at 06:59 PM.]

[Ze Pedro]

Hmm, I think I've seen a post somewhere (which was quickly edited) about a certain age which will feature in Revelation.

But I won't spoil your surprise. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But then again, maybe I just dreamed.

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[Alahmnat]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lady_Aliana:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alahmnat:
JIB, Uru is not part of the Myst chronology; it takes place approximately 200 years after Myst, Riven, and Exile. Revelation will pick up from Exile's ending, but Uru still stands far in the "future" compared to the rest of the games.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, if you remember that Yeesha is the baby Katrin was holding at the beginning of Exile, and remember that she is only 1/8 D'ni and would age pretty much normally, it looks like Uru is between 20 and 30 years after Exile, basically however old you think Yeesha is.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, the timeline would beg to differ, I'm afraid... Yeesha herself says in her opening address that D'ni fell "only a few hundred years ago", and Gehn was 5 when D'ni fell, bringing Atrus down to D'ni when Gehn was in his 30s (Atrus ventured into D'ni with his father 30 years after the Fall, and Book of D'ni, which is between Riven and Exile, takes place 70 years after the Fall).

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>(For the D'ni blood ratio, before someone asks: Atrus 1- D'ni, Gehn- 1/2, Atrus 2- 1/4, Yeesha- 1/8, as none of the mothers were D'ni.)

Also, we know that as of the beginning of Yeesha's quest to alter the course of the reconstruction, both Atrus and Katrin were still alive, and Katrin has only a normal life span and looked to be in her forrties when she had Yeesha, so even if you use her life span as the limitation, it can't have been much more than forty years at most. Keep in mind that she had had two adult sons before Yeesha was ever born, and you might even guess her at a well-preserved fifty when she had Yeesha, which pulls it in yet shorter.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Atrus was 1/4th D'ni, yes, but we have no information on how mixed genetics would alter a person's D'ni lifespan. It could be that it's a recessive gene that, since all of the D'ni carried it, it was always assertive. However, human genetics may have caused the gene to enter a recessive status, in which case it would only be present 1/3rdof the time. While indications are that Atrus didn't love much longer than Catherine, and she had a fairly normal lifespan, it is entirely within the realm of possibility that Yeesha got the longevity of a full-blooded D'ni, in which case she'd still have a good 125 years left on her.

Some have also suggested time travel using some shibby linking mechanics, but I'm not exactly inclined to go along with that myself.

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[maztec]

it's not genetics. it's all that linking. affects your brain, perception of time is slower!

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[Rocky1138]

JIB, I don't believe it was ever said that "the stranger" that played a pivotal role in the Myst series was from Earth.

In the beginning of Riven, Atrus says "there'll be a good chance we can send you home..." but that's about all that identifies where the person is from. Now whether home in that sentence means the D'ni word of Tomahna is a completely different subject.

It is my understanding that the fissure caused the Myst book to come into the stranger's possession because it was meant to be. That is the way of the fissure. That's all you need to know, as a player, and from a story's perspective.

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[Lady_Aliana]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Well, the timeline would beg to differ, I'm afraid... Yeesha herself says in her opening address that D'ni fell "only a few hundred years ago", <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, crud. I don't remember that, but I believe you. I would guess that was a timeline glitch rather than a shift that far into the future, though. Personal opinion only.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Atrus was 1/4th D'ni, yes, but we have no information on how mixed genetics would alter a person's D'ni lifespan. It could be that it's a recessive gene that, since all of the D'ni carried it, it was always assertive. However, human genetics may have caused the gene to enter a recessive status, in which case it would only be present 1/3rdof the time. While indications are that Atrus didn't love much longer than Catherine, and she had a fairly normal lifespan, it is entirely within the realm of possibility that Yeesha got the longevity of a full-blooded D'ni, in which case she'd still have a good 125 years left on her.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If D'ni lifespans are recessive, then no one after the first Atrus would have had an extended lifespan- the mothers' genes would have canceled them out, and none of the mixed-breeds would have extended lifespans. You would have to add D'ni blood back in again to have a chance of getting a pair of the recessive. I'm assuming it's not a single gene, but simply a matter of how many D'ni traits you express, which would be roughly equivalent to the amount of D'ni blood you had.

I'm taking the idea that it's a gradual shift from my impression from the books that mixed-blood children ended up with a proportion of traits relative to the amount of D'ni blood they had, but it could also simply be a matter of D'ni health care. They did mention that there was a lower survival rate than usual when you mixed bloods, implying that there are some genetics that are just-barely compatible between the races.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rocky1138:
JIB, I don't believe it was ever said that "the stranger" that played a pivotal role in the Myst series was from Earth.
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I always got the impression that the "stranger" was supposed to be you, the player, and therefore from Earth. Part of the immersion thing.

[T.O.O.O.]

I don't have URU yet (because I'm on a Mac, and too cheap to buy the Virtual PC software), so don't give me any spoilers, but just how did "the stranger" (in other words, the player) get into the void at the beginning of Myst?

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[T.O.O.O.]

Whoops. Posted something by mistake, and couldn't delete this. Sorry.

[Lord Hydronium]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BruceMorton:
I don't have _URU_ yet (because I'm on a Mac, and too cheap to buy the Virtual PC software), so don't give me any spoilers, but just how did "the stranger" (in other words, the player) get into the void at the beginning of _Myst_?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's no void, just Earth. The Myst book falls from Riven, through the Fissure, and arrives at Earth, the same way you do at the end of Riven. The weird black surface that it lands on is just a stylistic choice, and adds to the surrealistic aspect more than, say, a shot of it sitting in a library or something.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rocky1138:
JIB, I don't believe it was ever said that "the stranger" that played a pivotal role in the Myst series was from Earth.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't know if you've played Uru, but a definitive answer that it's Earth is there. For further explanation, look below (Uru spoilers):
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The Riven fragments are in New Mexico, ergo, Earth. So the Riven fissure leads to Earth, and therefore, the Myst book landed there, and you returned home to Earth as well.
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[Rocky1138]

Lord:

Because Riven fragments ended up on Earth does not instantly mean that the fissure always points toward the desert. I'll only believe it when it's explained in-game.

Until then, there's nothing in the canon to make me believe that the fissure does anything but what it's supposed to do (ie. by the hand of the maker).

If anything, why didn't the entire age of Riven fall onto the New Mexico desert? Why wahrk bones? The wahrks were nowhere near the telescope on Riven...

Also, it was never stated in-game or in-canon that the stranger went back to Earth. You are misleading people by telling them that. They simply went "home." Wherever that may be...

Lady Aliana:

No. The stranger's origins were never explained, just that he/she/it had come upon the book and linked in. The only Myst-related title to feature YOU was Uru (as in You-Are-You).

The Myst titles that featured the stranger are created (supposedly) from Katran's journals found when Dr.Watson ventured into the cavern (D'ni) back in the 80s.

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[Lord Hydronium]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rocky1138:
Because Riven fragments ended up on Earth does not instantly mean that the fissure always points toward the desert.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The Riven telescope fell into the Fissure. In the same general timeframe, the Stranger fell into the Fissure and returned "home". Therefore, wherever the telescope went, the Stranger went, since the Fissure pointed there before the Stranger went in (telescope) and after (wahrk). The telescope arrived in Earth. The wahrk skeleton arrived in Earth. Therefore, the Stranger arrived in Earth. Therefore, the Stranger's "home" is Earth. QED.

With your theory, the Fissure goes to an unidentified Age during BoA, goes to Earth near the end of Riven, goes to the unidentified age not moments later, and then immediately afterward snaps back to Earth. Plus, since now the Stranger is no longer in the same Age as Tomahna, he'd have one heck of a time getting there for Exile, and no way of getting back to his home age (the only way would have been the Fissure, and looking at the Riven book in Exile, ain't no way that's going to work this time).

[Alahmnat]

I actually realized why the Riven Book no longer works in Exile... it's not because it links to a dead Age (evidence against this being that the Book of Sedona linked a member of Atrus' restoration team into a supernova in BoD). Rather, it is because it links to the Fissure, which connects to Earth, and it's stated as canon (barring Relto) that you cannot link to an Age you're already in. Since Tomahna is on Earth (this is confirmed), and the Riven Book does not function (also confirmed), it can be inferred that the Fissure connects to Earth, causing the Riven book to fail.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Also, it was never stated in-game or in-canon that the stranger went back to Earth.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This actually IS part of the canon. RAWA has said so a number of times.

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[Rocky1138]

Lord:

I always figured that the stranger was someone wandering around in the desert on Earth, but I never had any canon to back up my assumptions so I always figured they were wrong. I guess it would be really hard to get to Tomahna in Exile if the stranger didn't go back to Earth (which was his home).

But the true question is, if the stranger's home was not Earth (hypothetically speaking) would it still have taken him/her to Earth or would it have taken him/her to his/her respective home planet?


Alahmnat:

That's interesting. I actually thought I had read all of Rawa's stuff. If you come across a link to that page, I'd really like to see it. Thanks!

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