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XyZspineZyX
01-28-2004, 04:29 PM
I was wondering if UBI could help out PC , PS2, XOBX players...there are so many arguments between the consoles, PC ect...(console wars) and no way for people to settle their differences, could UBI release a PC patch, so that they could play the online games compatibly with the console gamers? I mean, it would become, instead of several communites, all dwindling slowly...one large community that instead of looking at each other in disgust, could all join in the fun together. the way i see it, it could be really cool. The PC ability to host very nicely on a dedicated server with the huge console community, (at least i think its big) could make for better gaming. A few points that would have to be addressed...


PC have cheaters... we'd need Punk Buster support (hello...devs?) Also PCs can make absolutely amazing across-the-map shots...like ghost town and tank. I'm not sure if this is even possible on PS2 or XBOX...id like a reply on this.

Kits would need to be made compatible with the consoles. the map lists... rules...ect. This patch would also need to be entirely PC based, as i belive the consoles don't have a patching mechanism. (cept' xbox with that dlc thing)

Is there autoaim on the consoles? im not sure but i think that would be slightly unfair if it is there. Just think, the PC can join the xbox voice channels, save replays, and xbox gaming ladders could merge with the PC ones. So many more options would be availible.

Of course, the Xbox users should have an option of to allow PC players in the games, as a lot of them dont like us (i know this for a fact..secondhand)

But with this, and putting a control panel on the PC to select XBOX or PC mode....I think a limited ability of XOBX vs PC could be done, same with PS2 if sony gives the ok.

EDIT: What i really want is for those that play the consoles i mentioned to reply to any of my incorrect statements, or give some info on how this could be done, as my knowledge of GR on xbox and ps2 is limited to tech specs only, and not how the game is actaully played

Message Edited on 01/28/0411:06AM by DOW_Silver

XyZspineZyX
01-28-2004, 04:29 PM
I was wondering if UBI could help out PC , PS2, XOBX players...there are so many arguments between the consoles, PC ect...(console wars) and no way for people to settle their differences, could UBI release a PC patch, so that they could play the online games compatibly with the console gamers? I mean, it would become, instead of several communites, all dwindling slowly...one large community that instead of looking at each other in disgust, could all join in the fun together. the way i see it, it could be really cool. The PC ability to host very nicely on a dedicated server with the huge console community, (at least i think its big) could make for better gaming. A few points that would have to be addressed...


PC have cheaters... we'd need Punk Buster support (hello...devs?) Also PCs can make absolutely amazing across-the-map shots...like ghost town and tank. I'm not sure if this is even possible on PS2 or XBOX...id like a reply on this.

Kits would need to be made compatible with the consoles. the map lists... rules...ect. This patch would also need to be entirely PC based, as i belive the consoles don't have a patching mechanism. (cept' xbox with that dlc thing)

Is there autoaim on the consoles? im not sure but i think that would be slightly unfair if it is there. Just think, the PC can join the xbox voice channels, save replays, and xbox gaming ladders could merge with the PC ones. So many more options would be availible.

Of course, the Xbox users should have an option of to allow PC players in the games, as a lot of them dont like us (i know this for a fact..secondhand)

But with this, and putting a control panel on the PC to select XBOX or PC mode....I think a limited ability of XOBX vs PC could be done, same with PS2 if sony gives the ok.

EDIT: What i really want is for those that play the consoles i mentioned to reply to any of my incorrect statements, or give some info on how this could be done, as my knowledge of GR on xbox and ps2 is limited to tech specs only, and not how the game is actaully played

Message Edited on 01/28/0411:06AM by DOW_Silver

XyZspineZyX
01-28-2004, 05:10 PM
i have seen somewhere ( i will try to remember where) some information on how a software company r attempting to make a game that can be played across both ps2 and xbox live, so we could play each other. now how accurate this info is i wouldnt like to say. but i do think that even if its not in the near future there will be a time when we can play cross platform with each other.


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XyZspineZyX
01-28-2004, 05:19 PM
i know that the game released by EA called "Need For Speed: UNDERGROUND" is 100% compatible between the PC and PS2, so it IS possible. the thing with GR is that if it is patched the way i suggested, it will be difficult becoz GR was never meant for it.

ms-kleaneasy, since ur online..

- Can XOBX make the really long across the map shots?

- is there auto aim?

- how is the multiplayer handled? howe the the menus work?

-do you think XBOX palyers would even want such a system?

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XyZspineZyX
01-28-2004, 06:23 PM
-- Can XOBX make the really long across the map shots?

yeh it can, it mostly depends on which weapon u chose, i usually use the 7.62 rifle and thats got a very good long shot on it.

-- is there auto aim?

i think there is for offline, ive never used it though so cant be sure

-- how is the multiplayer handled? howe the the menus work?

from the main screen u chose multiplayer, u then have the option to play link, live or splitscreen.
Link up - pretty straight forward, u simply select the option and then the name of the xbox ur playing with.
Splitscreen - no different then on most splitscreen games
Live - once u signed in u can either search a random game, chose optimatch which allows u to select what sort of game u want to play or set up ur own server.
ur friends lists, options and so on r all within the start button once ur on live.
Its all pretty straight forward i never used any manuals when i first got on and picked it all up pretty qiuckly.

--do you think XBOX palyers would even want such a system?

I think ( and i could be wrong) that most people agree its not about the platform u play the game on but the person ur playing with, if the idea was practicle and the game didnt suffer for it i dont see why people wouldnt do it. at the end of the day it would improve the number of games u had to chose from so could only be a positive thing, and as i said before i think its inevitably gonna happen at some point anyway.


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XyZspineZyX
01-28-2004, 06:26 PM
bear in mind, in this system, the XBOX version would remain untouched. it would be a PC patch, and xbox players probably wouldnt be able to tell the difference from other xbox and pc players. it would be the pc adapting to the xbox, not the other way around.

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XyZspineZyX
01-28-2004, 06:29 PM
other issues would still stand, do xbox players use the threat indicator? PC servers never use it, makes it too arcadish. anyway, when its on you see some people able to track concealed people across the map, not realistic, the way i understand.

but the xbox and pc are very much alike, (as much as ppl argue about that) and the patch would take very little effort by the devs.

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EDIT: i was asking about the waepon range, not becoz of the weapon, but the draw distance. on pc, we have some skilled clans that are expert at making shots all the way acoss the mbc map, from the north hotel to the garage, i just wanted to know if these things were commonplace in the xbox version

Message Edited on 01/28/0412:32PM by DOW_Silver

XyZspineZyX
01-28-2004, 06:55 PM
I dont know anybody who uses the threat indicator so theres prob very little diffrence there

i was asking about the waepon range, not becoz
- of the weapon, but the draw distance. on pc, we have
- some skilled clans that are expert at making shots
- all the way acoss the mbc map, from the north hotel
- to the garage, i just wanted to know if these things
- were commonplace in the xbox version
-
yeh very common, i know pc gamers and xbox always winge about each other but the standard of play on xbox is excellent, u get idiots on occasion but thats no diff then the pc version.



Message Edited on 01/28/0405:55PM by ms-kleaneasy

XyZspineZyX
01-28-2004, 07:20 PM
Dow-Silver,

I can not speak for all xboxers, but I would have to say that only 5% of games I run across have the threat indicator on. And of the 5%, the people in the game and running it are pretty new or very young.

Most of time when I see a xbox live game having only the host with 8 openings, it is due to the threat indicator being on and or too many re-spawns. Most of the people I have run across playing XBL, (just like the PC's) are looking for nice, clean (no cheats), and fair matches.

BIG FAT TONY

XyZspineZyX
01-28-2004, 09:57 PM
I think it would be great to play against/with PC players, though I don't see how the PS2 & Xbox could play against eachother *(based on the difference in content from one version to the next). My concern about PC players is their ability to "mod" games to their advantage. Whereas with the Xbox, everyone is playing on a level playing-field (modded xboxes supposedly can't get on live). If there was a way to keep everyone level, it would be great.

As for draw distance, I can't think of a single map which this comes into play. The xbox is very capable of drawing the entire map with enemies movements, etc. You don't have a line where people just "appear" or the environment is blanked out.

BigGamer

XyZspineZyX
01-29-2004, 04:06 AM
We consolers would get our butts kicked. You ever play shooters on the PC? Its so much easier to aim. They would have a big advantage.

XyZspineZyX
01-29-2004, 06:38 AM
To DOW_Silver,

Great Idea if it could be done without flame wars being started over a kill that was due to a high performance system compared to an Xbox as an example. I will say this that Unless I could find games that play my style then I wouldn't participate in this idea. These being "IFF set off, no Threat Indicator and no respawns"

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XyZspineZyX
01-29-2004, 09:54 AM
snipe21 wrote:
- To DOW_Silver,
-
- Great Idea if it could be done without flame wars
- being started over a kill that was due to a high
- performance system compared to an Xbox as an
- example. I will say this that Unless I could find
- games that play my style then I wouldn't participate
- in this idea. These being "IFF set off, no Threat
- Indicator and no respawns"
-

Iam very dissapointed snipe lol
is there still a belief amongst the pc gamers that we console gamers dont the play the game properly/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The games myself and friends play never have respawns and definatly no threat indicator, although we play iff reticle however if there were more people out there playing with it off iam pretty sure we would as well.
i know a lot of people assume console gaming is for kids but u would be very surprised how many of us r putting r own kids to bed before we can get online and play.

As for the flaming because of high performance pc's well to be honest iam absolutly rubbish on a keyboard so my advantage would be the pad. i would assume most people would accept that there r advantages to both and it depends on which u personally r better at. if u get the kill its cus u were more observant, faster of the trigger etc not because u had a pc.

I think that if u ever wandered into the world of xbox u would be very impressed with the standard of gaming out there /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
01-29-2004, 02:41 PM
snipe21 wrote:
- <font color="#00FF00">However I would not tolerate
- UBISOFT/RSE changing any aspects to the original PC
- game and turning it into a console style for further
- releases for if this was to happen I would resign
- and no longer support GR</font>

Well what i was thinking was a control panel, so you could enable / disable the xbox patch inside GR, so you have *pure PC* versin, and *xbox compliant* version. I know a lot of ladders would probably mandate *pure PC* version, so adaptaions to the rules wouldn't need to take place.

but i wouldnt be too worried, as xbox gaming appers to be very similar to pc gaming.

i think this is also something that should be kept in mind for GR2, it would make a great advantage over other games.

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XyZspineZyX
01-29-2004, 03:04 PM
i know im mentally unstable... but i just read through all that, and it seems like your all chatting about different points...random, but then like i said, my brain doesnt work properly... rubbish, all absolute rubbish


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XyZspineZyX
01-29-2004, 03:36 PM
right...

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XyZspineZyX
01-29-2004, 06:49 PM
I think that it would be, not a console/PC war, but instead a corporate war. Simply put, the XBOX has XBLive which is all proprietary, and wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft would want PC folks playing around on their servers. Plus the PS2 stuff is proprietary to the company that published/developed the game. So it would be hard to conjoin all of them into one network.

Personally, being a PC and XBOX player, I think that it would be great. Much like the new FFXI that came out that can be played on both PS2 and PC... (though the system requirements for the PC are nuts, for example 6GB minimum for installation O_o).

Since there is a system already in place for all of the systems, it would be fairly difficult, logistically as well as technically, to perform such a feat. Though it would be a great idea, it would be an idea too hard to accomplish.

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XyZspineZyX
01-30-2004, 01:35 AM
DOW_Silver wrote:
- snipe21 wrote:
-- <font color="#00FF00">However I would not tolerate
-- UBISOFT/RSE changing any aspects to the original PC
-- game and turning it into a console style for further
-- releases for if this was to happen I would resign
-- and no longer support GR</font>
-
- Well what i was thinking was a control panel, so you
- could enable / disable the xbox patch inside GR, so
- you have *pure PC* versin, and *xbox compliant*

Yeah mate it would need some sort of control panel but it would have to be done in such a way that it's makes fair gaming for all. Still I like your idea and concept even if I'm not one to agree with the two platforms to becoming compatible with each other.

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XyZspineZyX
01-30-2004, 04:57 PM
the main reason i want this is becoz the PC community for GR..while very strong, is slowly going away (emphasis on slowly)...even though we got an extra 150-200 people online per night on ubi after X-mas.

I'm not sure how many ppl play XBL, but it has to be a LOT.

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XyZspineZyX
01-30-2004, 06:29 PM
doesn't matter what time of day you get on XBL, there are always a plethora of rooms to join and get gaming/killing! Some are good rooms, some are sucky rooms, some have absolutely no business even trying to host! It is overall, a great gaming experience that I am glad to be a part of.

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