Aliens vs. Predator MOD!!

[The_Duggler99]

By now, im sure that most people with a sliver of a brain bouncing around in their skull have noticed the obvious potential of Far Cry's engine for the creation of an alien / predator based mod or TC. The cry vision for the thermal imaging in the predator's helmet, yadda yadda the list goes on.

Im a bit of an AVP nut, and I've already started working on some models in anticipation of the SDK release in a couple weeks (if im not mistaken?)

This mod, which will NOT be entitled Aliens or Predator or anything to do with those two words due to copyright infringment with Fox will be named something completely different (TBA), but for now lets just refer to it as AVP.

Im not f*cking around here either guys, I already imported some stuff for this mod into the Battlefield Vietnam engine (which I was previously planning to create it with) and only recently did i realize that the refractor 2 engine would not be powerful enough to support some of the effects I need to make the mod convincing (namely cloaking, thermoptics, DX9 business like that ).

I am a fairly skilled modeler and skinner and I am sure I could quickly learn how to animate for Far Cry as well. I use 3d studio max to work, so i hope that the SDK will include some sort of export utility for my chosen program.

If you are interested, or more importantly if you are skilled in any fields that could help the mod progress including scripting, skinning, modelling, web site stuff, or whatever then drop me a line

jesusrocko@hotmail.com


Here is a WIP render of the USCM Pulse Rifle i made for the BF Vietnam engine and will be importing into Far Cry. It has been normal mapped, skinned and modeled completely from scratch and I would ask that anyone who joins the team be able to make something of at least this quality or even better.

Btw, poly count is important. This gun model is 2112 polies.

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=54160

Do not email me the examples of your work if you would like to join, simply provide me with links to areas where the files have been hosted. Hotmail has a smile size limit and its already overflowing thanks to porn and stuff.

[This message was edited by The_Duggler99 on Sat March 27 2004 at 09:27 PM.]

[The_Duggler99]

By now, im sure that most people with a sliver of a brain bouncing around in their skull have noticed the obvious potential of Far Cry's engine for the creation of an alien / predator based mod or TC. The cry vision for the thermal imaging in the predator's helmet, yadda yadda the list goes on.

Im a bit of an AVP nut, and I've already started working on some models in anticipation of the SDK release in a couple weeks (if im not mistaken?)

This mod, which will NOT be entitled Aliens or Predator or anything to do with those two words due to copyright infringment with Fox will be named something completely different (TBA), but for now lets just refer to it as AVP.

Im not f*cking around here either guys, I already imported some stuff for this mod into the Battlefield Vietnam engine (which I was previously planning to create it with) and only recently did i realize that the refractor 2 engine would not be powerful enough to support some of the effects I need to make the mod convincing (namely cloaking, thermoptics, DX9 business like that ).

I am a fairly skilled modeler and skinner and I am sure I could quickly learn how to animate for Far Cry as well. I use 3d studio max to work, so i hope that the SDK will include some sort of export utility for my chosen program.

If you are interested, or more importantly if you are skilled in any fields that could help the mod progress including scripting, skinning, modelling, web site stuff, or whatever then drop me a line

jesusrocko@hotmail.com


Here is a WIP render of the USCM Pulse Rifle i made for the BF Vietnam engine and will be importing into Far Cry. It has been normal mapped, skinned and modeled completely from scratch and I would ask that anyone who joins the team be able to make something of at least this quality or even better.

Btw, poly count is important. This gun model is 2112 polies.

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=54160

Do not email me the examples of your work if you would like to join, simply provide me with links to areas where the files have been hosted. Hotmail has a smile size limit and its already overflowing thanks to porn and stuff.

[This message was edited by The_Duggler99 on Sat March 27 2004 at 09:27 PM.]

[chu897]

uhm, first you need permission, which I don't think you will get.

Someone else posted about a Predator idea and how they got shot down because there is a Predator game in the makes.

so good luck...

[The_Duggler99]

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[The_Duggler99]

You didn't read my post did you.

This is NOT really an Aliens vs. Predator mod. The characters featured in it may look a bit like that kind of subject matter though, so I just called it that name until i can think up a better one. I wont be using any names from the movies or anything that is copywrite protected.

Because this is a non profit endeauvour, i should be fine if i stick to those rules.

[monkeygrease]

I HIGHLY advise you try to contact 20th Century Fox about this.

Just because they may be a bit different doesnt mean they cant find a way to stop you. If the similarities are too obvious they are well within there right to close you down.

My team was originally working on an Alien/Predator mod, but we closed that. We couldnt get a hold of 20thCF to get official permission to do the mod, and we wernt planning on risking 8 months of work.

[Merc248]

Just a note: 20th Century Fox invented the term "Foxed" in 1996 or 97 when a modding group tried to create an AvP mod for Quake 1.

[KTM_Calle]

Hey there, it was i who posted the idea about the Predator mod http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Your USCM Pulse Rifle looks very good!
If you are any interested in helping out with a Predator/AVP mod, feel fre to contact me, or post in this thread
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=273109392&m=754105903

Here are two pictures of my previous work for Operation White Night, Swedish army mod for Operation Flashpoint

http://ofp.gamezone.cz/whitenight/images/screenpack/update-04-01-19/rb56_beta.jpg

http://ofp.gamezone.cz/news/pics2/grg_m48_final1.jpg

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

[Wookiee22]

generaly if you ask the people who own the copywright nicely and explain to them that you will NOT be making any money off of the whole process (including post release of cource) and give them some credit for the wonderfull idea they hapen to own the rights to (wether they thought it up or just plain bought the patent and claimed they made it up [looks at H.R.Gigers work then at fox studios]) they will generaly say somthing along the lines of

"Of cource you can litle boy/girl feel free to use our product/patent/coppyrighted material for your personal/school/artistic project as long as you do not receve any finatual compensation from this and that if in the event that you do we reserve the right to sue you to within an inch of your life. have a nice day sir/maddam"

and there ya go all legal http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (just save the e-mail they will send you back) and then sometimes they wont give you permition becouse it might interfear with some other game coming out that your free mod might cut into the profits of http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[The_Duggler99]

Meh. It all boils down to this. Modding is what keeps games alive, and it is a productive and very harmless practice. If mega corporations are so scared of a couple of little boys with 3d know how that their own art teams may be outdone, then they should seriously reconsider who they hire. I'm going to make a mode for MYSELF. it will not contain references to AVP, and it will be an attractive looking, fun mod. From there, i may or may not contact fox to decide where to go, but I honestly do not like the idea of sucking **** with them just to have them turn around and tell me that because i might lose them 25 dollars in sales, I am not allowed to express myself creatively.

Freedom of artistic expression man. Its not like the Fox bigwigs even invented the Predator or Alien or Weaponry...they just bought the souls of the artists, and gobbled up all the rights so that they could pretend they did.

This world is f*cked in the head.

[Magnetmannen]

i have some experience witrh the copyrights system, as i once was in a terminator mod.

ok its simple, if we mod predators to farcry, ubisoft will sell copies to anyone who wants to play the predator mod.

if fox tries to sell a predator game themselves ppl wil say pffff, predator mod on farcry is better than your puny fox predator game.

do u now understand why fox will not let you use material from predator for your mod? they will loose money on letting you mod.

http://dynamic5.gamespy.com/~bf2029/bf2029forum/files/under20corsize.jpg

[The_Duggler99]

Do you see how much of a JOKE that is?

They want to be able to sell inferior material to people with a complete monopoly (microsoft anyone?)

For example. if people go "pfffttt the farcry predator mod is so much better than Fox's"

THEN THEY SHOULD NOT BE MAKING GAMES. This means their crack team of hired proffessionals has been out done by a kid with a computer and some experience in modding.

It makes me sick to think...I for one won't be purchashing any of Fox's games in the future.

[Magnetmannen]

ofcourse u can call it monopoly, but i call it copyright, they have the rights to copy THEIR material. u dont, give it up.

http://dynamic5.gamespy.com/~bf2029/bf2029forum/files/under20corsize.jpg

[Madmccoy]

As much as you hate it, loathe it, and wish for its utter destruction, it is their *right*. They have to watch out for their own interests, as they are a business, and, as busineses are wont to do, they want to make money. Artists sell their creations for money. It allows them to do what they love the most - create - and get paid for it. That is a fun life.

That having been said, you shouldn't even /have/ any problems. Its entirely possible to make something similar to AvP (the games OR the movies) without actually incorporating anything specific from either genre. A race of warlike, cyberneticly modified humans "hunt" 21st century mankind with futuristic weaponry across the galaxy. The humans, in their technological infancy, can only fight back with state-of-the-art projectile based weapons and percussive explosives, and form an elaborate agency dedicated to fighting back and repelling the menace. Presto, chango. Sound familiar? Familiar enough to infringe on someone's copyright?

Its too easy, unless you plan on running around with Pulse Rifles where Marines fight Aliens that look suspiciously like characters from the AvP games.

[Magnetmannen]

now that sci fi mod sounded kinda fun, but what if they hunt ww2 people? too far fetched i guess.

anyways do that , make something different , that goes out on the same subject of things to happen, just dont use characters that lawyers can claim u are loosing theyr company money with.

http://dynamic5.gamespy.com/~bf2029/bf2029forum/files/under20corsize.jpg

[PatrickBlank42]

Your M41A Pulse Rifle is incorrect. The ammo readout is supposed to be on the other side.

My Site: www.blankdesigns.homestead.com (http://www.blankdesigns.homestead.com)

[chu897]

Put it this way:

You work for 20th century fox. would you want to give away copywrited material to a group of people who could possibly hinder sales of a game you are developing?

you got a brain, try and think of something original for a mod. everyone seems to be willing to go for a pre-developed idea wrather than create their own.

[Shaitan.]

"who could possibly hinder sales of a game you are developing?"

Well, then maybe FOX should get better talent to make their games instead of the craptastic talentless foo`s they usually use. lol

[eggflip66]

um hello? there is a mod called "Galactic Conquest" and is basically rips everything straight out of the starwars universe. the gc mod team can do wwhat they want as lucasfilm have an understading with them that they r not making any profit. so theres no reason why duggler here cant get permission from fox execs to do his own little mod. im sure they wouldnt be as ruthless as lucas. anyway, it is very possible. but unlikely fox will want any competitin as the avp movie is due out this year and i guess a game would follow.

[eggflip66]

and btw, i am decepticon from the gc forums. thought id come say hi duggles. long live avp. everyone who has ever wanted to make an avp mod should join forces in this thread.

[The_Duggler99]

Rock on Decepticon.

I ryhme.

[Madmccoy]

FOX "FOX'D" two different AvP modifications; one was for Half-Life, the other for... (can't remember, someone fill in the blank?)

They are a wee bit more than ruthless, and with the fact that there is a Predator game coming out later this year (coincides with the new movie?), do they really think they're going to let anyone do ANYTHING with the Aliens or Predator IP?

[holmes_]

Man, I LOVE anything AvP. This mod needs to get made! When AvP2 first came out I experimented with the Talon engine and came up with my own little skirmish mods, mostly to entertain myself as they weren't really release material. I think the Farcry engine wouls perfect for this, though. Didn't know Fox had such a big stick up the rear. Hope in the end, it all works out though...

[SFM-Hobbes]

I personally think the idea of mixing it up a bit with some marines and some predators could be really cool. I sent an email...did you get it?

[Kasterix]

A few years back a friend of mine was making an AvsP mod for Total Annihilation... Fox shut him down also, even though he tried asking them nicely and explained he wouldn't be making any money off it.

[Swooperz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Decepticon313:
um hello? there is a mod called "Galactic Conquest" and is basically rips everything straight out of the starwars universe. the gc mod team can do wwhat they want as lucasfilm have an understading with them that they r not making any profit. so theres no reason why duggler here cant get permission from fox execs to do his own little mod. im sure they wouldnt be as ruthless as lucas. anyway, it is very possible. but unlikely fox will want any competitin as the avp movie is due out this year and i guess a game would follow.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen to that! This was my point in a similar post about Predator. GC never got even frowned at. I say fark them and do it anyway. If they shut it down, take it underground. Give it just to your friends to play (and me too.) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif It's just for fun anyway... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Swooperz
http://fix-this-pc.com
web design/pc repair in Colorado

[KingGing101]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Decepticon313:
um hello? there is a mod called "Galactic Conquest" and is basically rips everything straight out of the starwars universe. the gc mod team can do wwhat they want as lucasfilm have an understading with them that they r not making any profit. so theres no reason why duggler here cant get permission from fox execs to do his own little mod. im sure they wouldnt be as ruthless as lucas.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fox are *very* ruthless with computer game content. Not only people supposedly ripping off their Intellectual Property but also people editing stuff that's theirs. You know theres no SDK or even map tool for NOLF or NOLF2? Know why? Cos Fox didn't want people polluting thier precious IP. Some talented people even started to make one of their own, by the community for the community, free of charge. Fox shut them down becuase they were making something that could change a Fox branded game into something Fox didn't have control over...

Dan

We are Pentium of Borg, you will be approximated.

[The_Duggler99]

yeah fox certainly do seem to be a bunch of control freaks. Bummer.

I certainly wont be buying any of their future games, or giving them unneccessary "funding." They dont deserve it with the attitude they present to the public.