Cheating signs apparent

[Adder_Noir]

Hello Everyone,
Just thought I'd ask around because I have noticed one or two rather unusual things whilst in multiplayer recently. Firstly would be the instance of having plugged five sniper rounds into someone who was entirely unsupported (no medical support) manning a machine gun in a bunker. They were still able to move around. Normally one hit will remove all your body armour and leave you with hardly any health left at all. Before you suggest it there was no lag in the game and I have a very fast machine and an excellent premium permanent connection. Anyway heres the best one of the two!!

An engineer manning a machine gun in the defend the village game on one of the mp maps. I shot him TWICE IN THE FACE with a sniper rifle. You could actually see the two bloodpatches on his face where the bullets had struck him which remained there for some considerable time afterwards. They were both in the middle of his face arranged asymmetrically on either side of his nose. 1 hit in the head is enough to kill. He again had no backup and did not jump out of the gun to throw medi kits on the floor for himself. He survived two sniper rounds straight in the face without even breaking his stride. This I have to say seems a tad suspicous. There are times when it feels like someone's cheating but some players are just simply so good they can hit you from miles away, or beat you every time in a one on one with assualt weapons. That I can accept..but surviving multiple sniper rifle rounds to the face I cannot. Anyone else seen anything suspicous?

[Adder_Noir]

Hello Everyone,
Just thought I'd ask around because I have noticed one or two rather unusual things whilst in multiplayer recently. Firstly would be the instance of having plugged five sniper rounds into someone who was entirely unsupported (no medical support) manning a machine gun in a bunker. They were still able to move around. Normally one hit will remove all your body armour and leave you with hardly any health left at all. Before you suggest it there was no lag in the game and I have a very fast machine and an excellent premium permanent connection. Anyway heres the best one of the two!!

An engineer manning a machine gun in the defend the village game on one of the mp maps. I shot him TWICE IN THE FACE with a sniper rifle. You could actually see the two bloodpatches on his face where the bullets had struck him which remained there for some considerable time afterwards. They were both in the middle of his face arranged asymmetrically on either side of his nose. 1 hit in the head is enough to kill. He again had no backup and did not jump out of the gun to throw medi kits on the floor for himself. He survived two sniper rounds straight in the face without even breaking his stride. This I have to say seems a tad suspicous. There are times when it feels like someone's cheating but some players are just simply so good they can hit you from miles away, or beat you every time in a one on one with assualt weapons. That I can accept..but surviving multiple sniper rifle rounds to the face I cannot. Anyone else seen anything suspicous?

[A_Toda_Madre]

I had shot a guy several times point blank and he did not die, another time, there was a guy shooting me through the wall of a bunker.

[xT-AciD]

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[Kinto77]

It happened even to me...i'm a sniper and sometimes i have to shoot even 6-7 times to some1 to kill him.

I think it is not a cheat (at least i hope), but it is LAG....that is, we see it in that position but he goes to another 1....so we shoot at him but he isnt there so we cant kill him (even if we see the blood coming from him after a shot).

However that player died (another1 killed him) and i killed him with 1 shot...so i think it is just lag not cheat.

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[NL_Gryphon]

if you'd thrown in a grenade and pumped a 40-rd mag into his face you'd be sure if he was cheating or not...

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[BuddhaBing]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NL_Gryphon:
if you'd thrown in a grenade and pumped a 40-rd mag into his face you'd be sure if he was cheating or not... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, because you have no way of knowing if that was caused by network latency, timeouts or the ubiquitous lag.

[Bailiss]

I've been hit by snipers before and not taken any damage. Seen the tracer go right from the opponent and into me, heard the thud etc but no damage -- and I don't cheat http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Then again I've also pounded people in the back of the head with a dozen or so bullets and found they're not taking any damage. Again, they died quite soon after at the hands of another player so they weren't cheating either.

Some messed up glitch with damage and the player models somewhere along the line me thinks!

[Voodoo2484]

it's the netcode, it's not so hot right now, hopefully they'll revamp it like half life did with there's - that was good code except for it favored high pingers and took any advantage away from low ping players (which I didn't like since I'm low ping)

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[Adder_Noir]

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[Adder_Noir]

Thanks for the replies. It appears it is simply a bug that nothing can be done about. Those who have been around a bit will know how cheating has destroyed games in the past like Flashpoint,CS, Rogue Spear even, amongst others. I remember everyone saying how it was not possible to cheat in Flashpoint and so on until one day someone discovered a cheat which had been going around. It had the default soldier models painted in bright flourescent yellow and green so they could be easily spotted!!! After that we discovered ammo cheats, I even discovered one where someone had managed to make an M113 (thats an armouerd personell carrier) invisible!! Thus they were able to cruise through the maps shooting people at will without being seen. You could always hear it approach and then hear the gunfire, but never could you see it. Since I raised the issue others reported the same thing. Cheating stuffs a game up to the point at which it's not worth playing.

One more thing..if this thread attracts another flame bait post then I shall report the member concerned and pm a moderator requesting the thread be locked.

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[abtomat74]

most likely the 400lb virgins have infiltrated Far Cry now...like they do every other multiplayer game.

[NoodlyGod]

This bug was in the beta as well. I don't know if it's an actual bug or if it's related to the netcode. But either way it's not a cheat.

[thedudemanguy]

why the heck would you think just because you're not likely to lag that other people aren't and that the game will play normally when they are... it won't, very games will and the lagger is liable to get some degree of invicibility (but have a hard time hitting you as well)

[FireFort23]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by thedudemanguy:
why the heck would you think just because you're not likely to lag that other people aren't and that the game will play normally when they are... it won't, very games will and the lagger is liable to get some degree of invicibility (but have a hard time hitting you as well)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, in reference to the whole 6-7 shots with a sniper rifle - How likely is it that lag causes it when the person I'm shooting does NOT move at all.

Take a stationary machine gun, for example. On several occassions, I've located the guy from a mile away...he's using the machine gun to mow down my teammates. So I shoot him in the head. Once my sight settles, I notice he's STILL shooting the machine gun - he hasn't moved. 5 more shots and he's STILL there...

It may not be cheating, but that's not lag either. Besides, if you were getting shot by a sniper rifle, wouldn't you move out of the way?? I know I would!

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[Paajtor_61ShAP]

One important aspect of lag is, that the game is waiting for data, to update all clients.
While waiting, the game-engine will continue to play the same sequences over and over again.

If a character is just running over the map, lag can be very obvious (a stuttering, start/stop-like way of moving, often going backw.and forw. too).
But in the case of a character manning a mounted mg, it's quite something different, as this position is pretty static.

The machine-gunner may look like he's continuously firing at a particular target, but in fact he may well have changed position since.
To make things even worse, he might have hit you with the mg, went elsewhere, you moved along a house, and notice "bullets hitting you through a solid wall"...which in fact, could very well be the hits from the mg a few secs before.

I can only play FC-mp on servers with less than 50ms latency. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
Any higher will result in bad gameplay.
A patch that would raise this number to 100-120, for a start, would solve things for many players.

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[MethJunkie]

Yesterday I played MP for abit and noticed that 3/4 of the shots fired at me were not registering...I even was shot with a HE munition and took no damage.

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[JohnMacSAS]

I saw a funny thing happen the other day in a MP game.

I was on the defending side and the game was going really well, we had held the position for about 10 minutes.
We had put up all the doors and built bunkers etc.

Anyway .... I was running around like a mad fool and kinda noticed that there was a lot of machine gun fire coming from one of the bunkers we had built.

There was a LOT of sniper fire coming in and plently of rocket and nades but the bunker kept on firing away.

I went down to the bunker to find that the vulcan gun had kinda jammed and was firing on it's own with no one there and it wasn't actually giving off any damage LOL

I spose some code routine just got caught up and got left running, very funny and helpful cos I spose the other team didn't know it was "fake" fire

Also ....

I've had problems too in head shots. Probably twice now I have stalked someone who wondering around, pumped the handgun into their head 4 - 6 shots and they have turned around and killed me LOL

No REAL problems 99% of the time though

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[JaZpAh]

well, im definetly NOT a cheater, but when i was standing somewhere 3 guys were shooting at me and they didnt damage me....
when i asked them to use their knife they slashed me to pieces and i did die.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
but anyways.. i think its a bug.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif