T3: Rise of the Suckiness [Archive]

XyZspineZyX

07-03-2003, 05:41 AM

Ok, this is a copy paste from a reply I made to someone's post:

*Some spoilers, but I suggest you not watch it anyhow, or walk into the theater with extremely low expectations*

First of all, John Conner was supposed to be 10 in Terminator 2, when an attempt at his life was made by Skynet, in this movie, he said he was 13!!!!! WRONG!!!!!

Arnold plays a T800 Model 101 Infiltrator Terminator, in this movie, he says he is a T101!!!!!!!!! WRONG!!!!!

These simple obvious mistakes could have been fixed if the screenplay writer simply WATCHED Terminator 2!!!!!!

It went T800 to T1000 to TX???????

The TX's acting was HORRIBLE!!!!

She grew boobs just to kill the cop for his gun!! NO REASON TO GROW THE BOOBS!!!

She was able to do a retinal scan on the first victims, but on the woman with the cat, she needed to TASTE her blood!! Why not just scan her retina??????????

This movie claimed that Skynet was always going to be developed by Kate Brewster's dad all along!!! WRONG!!! The Terminator himself from T2 said that skynet was developed by Miles Bennett Dyson of the Cyberdyne Systems!!!! And his records are not wrong!!!

Arnold is a machine, and has no opinions, yet, all throughout the movie he gave his opinions about the "inevitability" of judgment day, of the future of John and humans, etc. etc. The Terminator should only dish out FACTS!!

John Conner knows damn well that the T800 from T2 was destroyed and this one would not have any of it's memory, yet, he mentions all the catch phrases from T2 anyhow!!!

The Lexus product placement was so obvious and horrendous!!!

The Terminator himself proclaims he lacks the memory of the one from T2, yet, he remembers the keys hidden in the sun visor from the very beginning!!!!!!

THE FREAKIN FONT IN TERMAVISION WAS WAY TOO FREAKIN BIG!!!!!!

We saw the way they travel through time from T2, it was a quick glowing ball that discepates immediately, yet, in this movie, it's a silver metallic, shiney ball that grows slowly then stays and hums for a while until it melts away!!!! WRONG!!!!!

Arnold can hold on to the crane hook through buildings and such, but can't hang on through a firetruck!! ridiculous, not to mention the impact does not damage the truck or change it's course at all!!!

Cars are not equipped to power the steering wheels by themselves, all the modifications of the world to the internal computers cannot possibly drive cars around by themselves! Not to mention the Tx would not have been able to see where they were going while they were on remote control, yet they drove through the city around obstacles just fine!!!!!

The Terminator admits to being obsolete, and has proven to be unable to damage the TX in any way in several fight scenes, yet in the end, he was able to crush her arm!!!!

Not to mention when he crushes the TX's arm, she screams in pain!!! Terminators sense damage, NOT pain!!!!!

Later in the movie, the Terminator proclaims that he takes orders from Kate Brewster. Yet in the beginning of the movie, he neglects any of her orders, and instead shows signs of annoyance (which Terminators would not feel) and even spoke rudely to her!!!!!

TERMINATOR DOES NOT LIE!!!!!! This one, he openly admits to lying!!!!!!

HE DOES NOT SAY "I'll be back" ANYWHERE IN THIS MOVIE!!!!!!!!

The TX stares at herself in the mirror as she walks by it, what, is she a vain robot???????

The Terminator is unable to disable or "self terminate" but in this one, he does!!!!!! TWICE!!!!!!

The Terminator was crushed by a simple industrial hydrolic press in the original, yet, a big huge honkin blast door cannot crush him in this one!!!!!!!!!

He originally struggles to hold the door open with both hands, yet was able to let go with one hand later to hold on to the TX, then proceeds to remove his power core with his OTHER HAND later in that scene!!!!! What is he using to hold up the door then?????????

Not to mention, he has one main power core, and one reserve, he already lost one in the beginning, now he removed his reserve, yet he still talks and moves!!!!!!!!!

The Terminator speaks very technical and proper, in the first one, he describes the T1000 to be able to "imitate anything it samples by physical contact." In this one, he says "imitate anything it touches" which was John Conner's words, NOT the Terminator's!!!!!!!!

OMG, I CAN KEEP GOING!!!!!!

This movie is more like a Jerry Bruckheimer action flick than the serious Terminator action it's supposed to be...

No insult to Bruckheimer films, but they are meant to be over the top, and humorous, this is just a disgrace to the Terminator name in my opinion...

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--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
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--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

Message Edited on 07/05/0312:43AM by Demon_Mustang

XyZspineZyX

07-03-2003, 05:41 AM

XyZspineZyX

07-03-2003, 07:43 AM

there's already a thread about T3, but you decide to make another. nice job spammer.

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XyZspineZyX

07-03-2003, 07:52 AM

So you enjoyed it, eh?
Sweet. Will have to see it when I get back to the states.

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- Matt
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XyZspineZyX

07-03-2003, 12:42 PM

I haven't seen the movie yet, but here's the bottom line: if the whole entire movie is about the female terminator chasing them around... Then this movie will suck.

If they put the female terminator in a couple of slick action sequences right at the beginning and then kill her off and move on to concentrate on the actual war between man and the machines, like this franchise has been hinting that they would be doing for part 3. Then it has a chance at being good.

chick in the whole flick = suck.
largescale apocolyptic war = chance at being good.

I'm not wasting a dime on this flick until I find out if the chick terminator dies in the first reel.

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XyZspineZyX

07-03-2003, 01:34 PM

jared. wrote:
- there's already a thread about T3, but you decide to
- make another. nice job spammer.

no he just figured noone would take there time to read a thread with you as the author.

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XyZspineZyX

07-03-2003, 01:43 PM

Thats why I ignored the thread for so long. Most times j is so negative, why bother. Maybe if he lightens up (oh yea thats not possible ) more people would take him seriously. Of course, he hates us all anyways. W.P.D.S.*

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XyZspineZyX

07-03-2003, 02:45 PM

Saw the movie,...and the author of this thread is exactly right on every point.

It is sad to see that the Terminator series has come to a complete sham in part 3, much like the Alien series.

This is what happens when creativity is sacrificed for the desire to "whoo" the audience with visual effects in order to make a quick buck.

Don't let the name fool ya, I'm much older and dangerous.

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07-03-2003, 02:50 PM

[punches jared007 in the mouth]

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XyZspineZyX

07-03-2003, 05:15 PM

jared, I get a slight sense that people don't like you...

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

XyZspineZyX

07-03-2003, 06:10 PM

Olegious wrote:
- [punches jared007 in the mouth]

LMFAO, /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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- "Generals dont run; during peace this prompts
- laughter, during war this prompts panic."

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07-03-2003, 06:32 PM

Demon_Mustang wrote:
- jared, I get a slight sense that people don't like
- you...

what ever made you think that? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX

07-03-2003, 10:03 PM

*gasp* Oleg! So abusive!

Poor poor Deemy. Can we do anything to make you feel better after the utter disappointment you feel after waiting for months for T3?

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07-04-2003, 02:22 AM

This is probably not the time to tell him about T4......

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07-04-2003, 04:09 AM

Usually I don't take negative reviews of popular movies seriously. My cousin, who saw Matrix: Reloaded before me, said that MR sucked. Ofcourse, I saw the movie myself and liked it, even though it sometimes was confusing. As for T3(which I'm going to see this saturday), I think most people like to see the movie themselves and form their own opinions on it. Demon should have gave a spoiler warning of some type.

We all agree that James Camron should have had more say in it, he was the one that had nightmares about it at a Venice hotel, and he was the one who pushed the cast and crew to make T1 a classic movie. It's very unfortunite that he doesn't own the rights to his own movie. Hopefully he won't be frozen out of T4(which probably will be focus on the actually battle between SkyNet and TechCom, and not the T-800 protecting a weakling from another cyborg).

Is JC 13 in T3? I think you got fact wrong, because everywhere, including official T3 website, they say he's in his 20s.

XyZspineZyX

07-05-2003, 04:41 AM

SakoKK wrote:
"Demon should have gave a spoiler warning of some type."

Sorry, I am just mad, I didn't think about that, will edit it ASAP.

"It's very unfortunite that he doesn't own the rights to his own movie. Hopefully he won't be frozen out of T4"

No one was "frozen" out of anything, Cameron refused to do it because he thought the script sucks, and boy, does he have a great sense. Not to mention he ended it in T2.

"which probably will be focus on the actually battle between SkyNet and TechCom, and not the T-800 protecting a weakling from another cyborg"

T4 IS going to be the future war BTW people.

"Is JC 13 in T3? I think you got fact wrong, because everywhere, including official T3 website, they say he's in his 20s."

Read what I said sak, I said in T3, John does a voice-over in the beginning where he said he was 13 when the attempt at his life was made (T1000 from T2). Yet, in T2, he was supposed to be 10, NOT 13. I think the quote is "They attempted to murder me when I was only 13."

I think the reason behind this is that T1 took place in 1984, and judgment day was supposed to be in August of 1997. They probably thought T2 took place shortly before judgment day was supposed to happen, kind of like how T3. You'll see when we get there. But the fact is, T2 was supposed to occur in 1994, making John 10, not 13.

Kim wrote:
"Poor poor Deemy. Can we do anything to make you feel better after the utter disappointment you feel after waiting for months for T3?"

Well, I didn't wait for T3, I've said it was going to suck from the beginning. They ended it in T2. Also, I knew that the screen-writer for Tank Girl originally wrote the screenplay for T3. Which would make it obvious that it sucks. Then it was rewritten by two other screenplay writers. Except once a project is accepted, it cannot be changed too much from it's original form. So the two writers really couldn't change the story, just some details to smooth out the story a little.

Also, just the knowledge that the new villain was going to be female gave it away that it will suck. Not that I'm sexist, but Skynet should be. Skynet is a man-made machine, it will not sacrifice the sturdiness and space offered by a big-framed male for a female's body.

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

XyZspineZyX

07-06-2003, 05:36 PM

I just saw the movie last night and I'd like to point out a few things that bothered me as well:

- With the 'boob' argument Demon pointed out, I agree. The TX looks a Victoria's Secret sign that says "What's sexy?" and proceeds to grow larger breasts. However, when the police officer approaches her, she doesn't even attempt to seduce him: she just grabs his gun and kills him. Why grow larger breasts if she wasn't even going to use them?

- Arnold at some point says that the TX is "faster, stronger, and more intelligent." Okay, so how is it that in the end of the movie, when he is holding the door up, he is able to hold her back as well? If she is stronger, why can't she break free? Also about being more intelligent; also in the end, when the TX comes in as they are entering the codes (before Arnold arrives), she casually gets out of the helicopter and WALKS to them, giving good 'ol Arnold his sweet time to crash in and stop her from killing them. If she is so much 'faster,' why didn't she run over and kill them?

- How about the whole entire TX being a woman thing? She at one point transformed into that girl's fiancÃ©. Why not just stay as that guy? Why transform back into the woman? If nothing else, why not just stay the man to conserve energy as it surely would take some to "transform."

What else....

- Oh yeah, and the whole 'super-virus' thing. Lame. First of all, if SkyNet was the one that actually MADE the virus, then why did it need the military to execute it? If it could create a virus and put it out into the public, why not coudln't it just execute itself? That's stupid. And if SkyNet didn't create the virus, why would the military put that kind of power into a computer program? What's the worst that could happen if they just let the virus wreak havoc for a while? I'm sure there are other ways to get rid of a computer virus. For example: unplug your computer from your internet connection. BAM! No need to worry about those damn viruses.

Well that's it for now. And don't say, "If the movie sucked so much, why did you see it." No, i'm saying that it was both good and bad. It was good because it was entertainment. Isn't that what movies are all about? Entertainment? I paid my $7.00 to see stuff get blown up and people get their asses kicked, and in my opinion, this movie does a perfect job of that. They had excellent special effects as well. But, if you want more out of a movie (a decent plot and story), then this movie failed miserably and had a pi ss-poor (since when is pi ss a bad word) script. Anymore though, they're trying to put WAY to much philosophical crap in them. Matrix Reloaded is probably the worst offender during the whole architect scene. Why'd they have to use so much complicated wording? Why not just come out say it? You aren't impressing the audience with big words when no one can even comprehend it. But that's a whole different topic.

I give T3: Rise of the Machines (or suckiness) a 6 out of 10.

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Message Edited on 07/06/0312:38PM by c.787

XyZspineZyX

07-07-2003, 12:42 AM

c.787 wrote:
"- How about the whole entire TX being a woman thing? She at one point transformed into that girl's fiancÃ©. Why not just stay as that guy? Why transform back into the woman? If nothing else, why not just stay the man to conserve energy as it surely would take some to "transform.""

First of all, let me commend you on the proper use of quotations with the punctuation INSIDE the quotes, not outside. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Anyway, on with the topic. I agree with this, and this was one of the exact things I said to my friend, which also agrees, but I didn't want to say it here, I know I did have spoilers, but I didn't want to give everything away. But yah, that's stupid, she could have simply stayed the fiance and waited until she hugged him (her) and the mission objective would have been complete right there. Oh well, the entire movie was ridiculous...

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

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07-07-2003, 02:19 AM

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Message Edited on 07/07/0312:40PM by c.787

XyZspineZyX

07-07-2003, 02:23 AM

c.787 wrote:
- I say that if you are going to make an argument, it
- always works better if you have decent spelling and
- grammer. It isn't too professional when people
- right, "Your wrong because their was a
- lot to the plot." Not that anyone said that, just
- pointing out the dumb grammer errors many make.

The mistakes you made in that paragraph were on purpose, right?

XyZspineZyX

07-07-2003, 02:48 AM

- c.787 wrote:
- I say that if you are going to make an argument, it always works better if you have decent spelling and grammer. It isn't too professional when people right, "Your wrong because their was a lot to the plot." Not that anyone said that, just pointing out the dumb grammer errors many make.

- FLYdude wrote:
- The mistakes you made in that paragraph were on purpose, right?

Yes, actually I am sure he misspelled Grammar, twice, in order to point out the need for increased vigilance against typos and spelling errors.

However, I on the other hand simply type as I go and then hit POST (Most of the time). I am a product of public schools and really poor study habits. I blame the teachers. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX

07-07-2003, 03:05 AM

Yeah, my bad. That was pretty dumb. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Message Edited on 07/06/0310:05PM by c.787

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07-18-2003, 06:49 PM

That movie ****ing blow, just saw it this morning. Pathetic. 2nd movies was way better. Thanks god for p2p softwares I didn't pay a penny for this flop

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XyZspineZyX

07-19-2003, 02:20 AM

Hm, maybe the use of the software to illegally obtain the movie was wrong, but for this movie, I'd make an exception. I'm glad you didn't lose $6 to this crap. I want my $6 and 2 hours of my life back!

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--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

XyZspineZyX

07-19-2003, 02:36 AM

You need your 6 bucks and 33 hours of your life back. You spent the other 27 hours telling us all how bad the movie was.

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07-19-2003, 02:47 AM

Usually I don't download blockbusters if the movies is good by hearing. I go see it and pay for it, but when every friends of mine and critics say thumbs down, I just don't want to waste money to get sure disapointed when the credits start showing and anyway I will see it later on movie networks. It not that I encourage piracy, it my way to say that I don't support bad movies or games etc. Movies like that just keep growings and disapointing. Did you notice this year is rich of useless sequels? I never saw this high number of my life!

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07-19-2003, 10:57 PM

Demon_Mustang wrote:
- "Hm, maybe the use of the software to illegally obtain the movie was wrong, but for this movie, I'd make an exception. I'm glad you didn't lose $6 to this crap. I want my $6 and 2 hours of my life back"

While I tend to agree, it is probly the only format I would have been able to see the movie untill it is released on DVD as I doubt it will be in the theater when I redeploy.

That said... Wow. Was really disapointed. It started out bad then suprised me be getting worse. Acting, story line...

I did enjoy seeing the Model T1. Other then that... really kind of disapointed at the loss of 2 perfectly good recordable cds and the loss of sleep before heading back out.

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07-19-2003, 11:02 PM

Well, seeing Demon's critic on this movie, I decided not to go now. Thank you actually, this saved me $10 on a terrible movie. (terrible being said on belief of Demon's critisism.)

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07-19-2003, 11:30 PM

the most rediculous parts in this movie IMO was the numbers of robots head displacements.

I laughed when Arnie punched the TX in her face and do a 360 ... that's just plain wrong and cartoonish....

and then... was the t800 head detachment by the TX foot. And Arnie wake up and screw back his head on his torso, o god.... I felt like a ripoff scene of 6PO in Empire Strike Back

And how the heck the T800 was still operative when he had his last cell on his hand on the move to stuff it on the TX mouth... stupid

Oh yea forgot: SPOILER WARNING!

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07-20-2003, 06:45 AM

This was finnaly released in Aust... now I wished they hadn't...

Myself and ALL my friends who are fans of the teminator series... absoultely hated the movie.....

Its a great action flick... but its not a terminator movie...

*** SPOLIER AHEAD ** even though they've pretty much been spoiled already **

so the writers couldnt find a link between T2 and T3,.... so they invented a new character (Kate Brewster) so that they could "link" the movies together...

I mean if Kate is now just important as John...(as his wife).... why didnt they hunt her down in T1 or T2 ?......

"ensure the survival of Kate" ??... sure... I'll just run my out of control 4WD straight at her and hope she doesn't get hurt.... and sure... I'll just crash my HUGE helicopter into the building (at the end) and hope I dont crush John and/or Kate !!

now the exploding power cells...... think back to T1... if the cells become unstable...i.e. crushed by a hydrolic press.....Say goodbye to Sarah Connor..... thus no John connor....

The TX and her clothes.... if she can regenerate her clothes.. why is she nude at the start ?.... if the clothes are a part of her... then she would have been able to go thru the time portal fully clothed... (but I guess that applied to the T1000 too)

DNA sampling... how does a machine generate saliva ??.. she could have just used an instrument in her fingers or something..... but she has to taste blood ?...... really ??... thats stupid...

Timing... if the world was going to end in less than a day.... and you had no idea of where John was going to be...... why give yourself only a few hours to find him ???.... why not go back a few more days ??

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I dont mean to offend.... but I am such a huge fan of the Terminator movies.... but IMO they simply got this one WRONG !!!!....

Like I said.... its a great "no-brainer" action flick.... but it destroyed everything James Cameron set up the terminator movies to be....

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XyZspineZyX

07-21-2003, 02:07 AM

Having just seen the movie, I'd have to say I agree with just about everything in this thread. Except that it was a good kick *** and blow things up movie, cuz quite frankly I wasn't even all that impressed with that. I was also hoping for a little more future timeline stuff rather than just the one scene with the field of marching terminators. Also found it interesting how the air units seemed to get upgraded (sleeker, more stealth/solid looking design) from the first and second ones, even though they were supposed to be at the same time. Not to mention throw in the quirk that the original prototypes back in the "present" had the same design as those shown in the future from this movie. They could have done that right, since the T1's actually looked like they could have been early versions of the larger ground HK's in the future. But again, even there, I didn't like how the "present" versions just looked like scale models of the "future" versions. Not a whole lot of improvement over 20 years or so on Skynet's part, unless bigger counts.

-- Oh yeah, and the whole 'super-virus' thing. Lame. First of all, if SkyNet was the one that actually MADE the virus, then why did it need the military to execute it? <snip>
ways to get rid of a computer virus. For example: unplug your computer from your internet connection. BAM! No need to worry about those damn viruses.

Well, I believe Skynet WAS the virus. At the end *SPOILER* John says that there never was a core, and it was in computers across the globe. The military never executed the program. They linked it up with the primary defense systems, which to that point were isolated from it's control (in theory). Now, the problem I see was that if it didn't become self-aware until that uplink was made or shortly before (they make reference to when it happens in the movie), how did it "know" to spread itself, or prepare for a coming war, or any of that sort of thing. The virus appeared to have been around a while before the movie started

Anyway. Bad movie, imho. A few good scenes and effects, but if I couldn't see it for just as much as I can rent the DVD, I probably would have waited.

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XyZspineZyX

07-29-2003, 07:02 AM

Well, to further comment on what have been said, don't forget that in T2, the T1000 stabs that iron rod through Arnold's battery cell. He revives himself on reserve power, but notice he never blew up in some huge explosion??

Also, the little bits of future scenes that had was pretty poor, it didn't seem like an all out war, it seemed like this organized marching of T800's. It wasn't as cool as I thought it could have been.

Also, skynet actually was activated and worked for several years, as explained by Arnold in T2, it served to fly un manned aircraft in many successful missions, and only until the humans tried to deactivate it, did it turn on us. In this one, skynet had some devious plan to unleash itself as soon as it got the opportunity. Since when did skynet become "evil?"

Also, I'm glad someone commented on how Arnold trated Kate Brewster in the beginning. Did you also notice how he never listened to a thing she said? Then at the end he says he's programmed to take orders from her????

I've mentioned this on another thread, but John Conner in T1 and T2 has been explained to be some great military leader. And in T2, you can see that he takes matters into his own hands and he's a very brave kid. In this movie, he's a whining coward. Kate Brewster does more to save them than John doesn, he spends most of his time running and ducking for cover, that's when he's not whining and complaining about how he doesn't want to be involved. How gay, they made John Conner gay in this movie, so disappointing.

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--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

XyZspineZyX

07-29-2003, 07:09 AM

I think you really need to stop complaining about this damn movie!

XyZspineZyX

07-29-2003, 07:15 AM

I think you really need to stop complaining about my complaining! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I'm just trying to give people the heads up, and it seems a lot of them agree with me, so I feel like I'm saving some lives over here /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

XyZspineZyX

07-29-2003, 07:24 AM

This is the first time I have complained about your complaining. We get the point already. Movie sucks, got it...

XyZspineZyX

07-30-2003, 07:46 AM

Hey, you might have got it, but some people haven't.

Plus, I didn't dig this back up, I've been gone for vacation, I just came back and skimmed through what had responses that I didn't read yet, and this was one of them. So I replied, if you don't want to read it, well, don't, haha.

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

XyZspineZyX

07-30-2003, 04:44 PM

Yeah, my dumb white gf didn't realize that John Connor was the kid in T2. Not enough Philipinos in america...

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XyZspineZyX

07-31-2003, 04:36 AM

Wow, that's not a very nice thing to say about your gf.

Anyway, don't get too cocky about philipinos either, or else I'll bring out all the jokes about how philipinos are just maids to rich chinese people. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

(most of you won't know a thing about this, but I'm sure he will)

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

XyZspineZyX

07-31-2003, 04:42 AM

Small, held back gasp

"Eh.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif , c-crossing the l-li-line... just want a filipino gf...

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XyZspineZyX

07-31-2003, 04:49 AM

LOOK MOM

an irate fillmeup-pino

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XyZspineZyX

07-31-2003, 04:54 AM

Demon_Mustang wrote:
- Wow, that's not a very nice thing to say about your
- gf.
-
- Anyway, don't get too cocky about philipinos either,
- or else I'll bring out all the jokes about how
- philipinos are just maids to rich chinese people.
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
-
- (most of you won't know a thing about this, but I'm
- sure he will)
-
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---"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
---Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
- â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
---"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
---"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
---"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

You dare start, and I will hunt you down. Philipines is a battered nation, it's population should be matched with Japan's. Abused by china, Spain, and even the US. Not a funny thing to say.

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XyZspineZyX

07-31-2003, 05:25 AM

Wait, please clarify what you mean by it's population should be matched with Japan's, you just mean number right? That abused by China thing doesn't apply to Japan does it? I really hope you're not saying that, I'm pretty sure you're not, just making sure.

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

XyZspineZyX

07-31-2003, 03:11 PM

Yes, I mean Population.

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XyZspineZyX

08-01-2003, 05:12 AM

phew, ok, I was going to explode on you, haha.

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

XyZspineZyX

08-01-2003, 11:06 AM

Way Too picky Dem...

If you really nitpick movies to pieces like this I doubt you'll ever enjoy a movie.

I watched T3 yesterday (premier) and I thoroughly enjoyed it. The actions scenes in it were great. Yes, maybe there was a few glitches in it and a few things that don't correspond with the previous movies. But, overall, this was a great action movie, deffinetly worth watching in every sence.

XyZspineZyX

08-03-2003, 02:16 AM

What do you mean? I thoroughly enjoy many movies. I'm not nitpicking. Even people who are not hardcore Terminator fanatics would agree that the action was WAY over the top. This is like Jerry Bruckheimer ridiculous action. This is not realistic action. Like when Arnold hit that parked Lexus, in real life, that would have simply messed up the rear corner panel, but no, the Lexus SLID sideways to hit some propane tank and like an entire side of the building blew up. It's like everything seems to explode when you just touch it one bit, well, except the hero's car of course. Not to mention the rear corner panel on that Lexus was in tact after the big honkin truck just smashed into it... Anyway, enough with that scene.

They also tried too hard with the special effects, like her using the "nano technology" thing with her finger, EVERY time she did it, she had to hold her hand up, and she stood there watching it deploy like it's fascinating to her. After like the 3rd or 4th time they did that silly routine, it just seemed like they were trying to advertise that it was "cool" or something. T1000 in T2 would stab someone and go about his business, this time, they have to show everything in detail like we were stupid and can't figure out what they were doing ourselves.

Not to mention in the end when half of Arnold's face was tore off, you can see through his head to the background in between his teeth and the piston that moved his jaw. Ok, someone watch that again, and notice that hole would mark the back of his neck. Does the T800 model not have a neck? Does his head just float in position?

In the truck, he had to work on his battery pack, they had to copy the arm scene from T2 with the cutting with the knife thing, too bad it wasn't as slick. Not to mention if it was so urgent, he could have simple tore his skin off, no need to cut it with a knife, they needed to cut in T2 because it had to be neat so the entire arm will be removed. This time, it was simply to access something. Hell, that battery terminal could just pop right through the skin, I'm sure it is strong enough.

Also, not the power supply EXPLODES (like everything else) in this huge honkin explosion. Come on, on the battlefield, many T800's are destroyed with chest shots, and T1000 in T2 stabbed through his power pack, and there were never any explosions, this seemed like another excuse to blow something up.

Like the crane scene in that long *** chase scene (seemed like time filler to me), every car it touched flew up in the air and flipped over and such. Arnold even tore through a building. Come on, how much traction does that crane have?? Even under normal operation, it has to be stopped and the supports have to be lowered to widen it's center of gravity. This time it seems concrete and STEEL (buildings are constructed with steel now-a-days) is not strong enough to even slow down a moving crane truck with the arm extended out to the side. Again, more excuses to blow things up and have buildings fly apart.

I would expect action like this from movies like Armageddon and The Rock and any other Jerry Bruckheimer production, but this is not the type of action I would expect from a Terminator movie, it's SUPPOSED to be a serious movie, not an action-comedy this has become.

Come on, Arnold said "Talk to the hand" in this movie!!! Arg!

Shut up flyboy, I can *feel* your comments coming!

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

XyZspineZyX

11-10-2003, 06:58 AM

ok Demon, i originally didnt read this post, having just rewatched the DVD i have some responses:

Demon_Mustang wrote:

- First of all, John Conner was supposed to be 10 in
- Terminator 2, when an attempt at his life was made
- by Skynet, in this movie, he said he was 13!!!!!
- WRONG!!!!!

Response: i dont think this is a big deal
-
- Arnold plays a T800 Model 101 Infiltrator
- Terminator, in this movie, he says he is a
- T101!!!!!!!!! WRONG!!!!!

Response: same as above
- These simple obvious mistakes could have been fixed
- if the screenplay writer simply WATCHED Terminator
- 2!!!!!!
-
- It went T800 to T1000 to TX???????
Response: who cares?
-
- The TX's acting was HORRIBLE!!!!
-
- She grew boobs just to kill the cop for his gun!! NO
- REASON TO GROW THE BOOBS!!!

Response: i liked her, and the boobs was just for fun...

- She was able to do a retinal scan on the first
- victims, but on the woman with the cat, she needed
- to TASTE her blood!! Why not just scan her
- retina??????????

Response: why not? its just showing off the features of the robot, what if the victim's eyes were lost, she'd have to be able to id her, this is another way

- This movie claimed that Skynet was always going to
- be developed by Kate Brewster's dad all along!!!
- WRONG!!! The Terminator himself from T2 said that
- skynet was developed by Miles Bennett Dyson of the
- Cyberdyne Systems!!!! And his records are not
- wrong!!!

Response: cant really say anythin about this...

- Arnold is a machine, and has no opinions, yet, all
- throughout the movie he gave his opinions about the
- "inevitability" of judgment day, of the future of
- John and humans, etc. etc. The Terminator should
- only dish out FACTS!!

Response: the idea that judgement day is "inevitable" makes it a FACT, so since in the Terminators time it happened, that means its a FACT so he speaks of FACTs when he says that its going to occur.

- John Conner knows damn well that the T800 from T2
- was destroyed and this one would not have any of
- it's memory, yet, he mentions all the catch phrases
- from T2 anyhow!!!

Response: maybe he's in denial
- The Lexus product placement was so obvious and
- horrendous!!!

Response: oh well, i didnt really mind it.

- The Terminator himself proclaims he lacks the memory
- of the one from T2, yet, he remembers the keys
- hidden in the sun visor from the very
- beginning!!!!!!

Response: actually if you notice he didnt use the keys to start the car, he hotwired it! didnt he grab the sunglasses from the sun visor?

- THE FREAKIN FONT IN TERMAVISION WAS WAY TOO FREAKIN
- BIG!!!!!!
Response: what?

- We saw the way they travel through time from T2, it
- was a quick glowing ball that discepates
- immediately, yet, in this movie, it's a silver
- metallic, shiney ball that grows slowly then stays
- and hums for a while until it melts away!!!!
- WRONG!!!!!
Response: once again, who cares? these are small details that are irrelevant to the storyline, you sound like a trekkie freak

- Arnold can hold on to the crane hook through
- buildings and such, but can't hang on through a
- firetruck!! ridiculous, not to mention the impact
- does not damage the truck or change it's course at
- all!!!
Response: well the physics part is obviously false, but maybe the fact that the truck was moving in the opposite direction knocked him off the hook, or maybe he let go purposely so that he could capture the firetruck and use it to capture the TX vehicle?

- Cars are not equipped to power the steering wheels
- by themselves, all the modifications of the world to
- the internal computers cannot possibly drive cars
- around by themselves! Not to mention the Tx would
- not have been able to see where they were going
- while they were on remote control, yet they drove
- through the city around obstacles just fine!!!!!

Response: she can control machines, so that it has nothing to do with remote control or antything, its as if she's using ESP to press down on the controlls and sense obstacles so that she doesnt have to be present to be able to control them.

- The Terminator admits to being obsolete, and has
- proven to be unable to damage the TX in any way in
- several fight scenes, yet in the end, he was able to
- crush her arm!!!!

Response: well in the end she was in a weakened state, although it is dubious why she would be weakened by an explosion from the helicopter collision and not be hurt by a point blank bazooka blast
-
- Not to mention when he crushes the TX's arm, she
- screams in pain!!! Terminators sense damage, NOT
- pain!!!!!

Response: it wasnt pain, it was anger, that she cant complete her mission, once again a small detail
-
- Later in the movie, the Terminator proclaims that he
- takes orders from Kate Brewster. Yet in the
- beginning of the movie, he neglects any of her
- orders, and instead shows signs of annoyance (which
- Terminators would not feel) and even spoke rudely to
- her!!!!!
-
- TERMINATOR DOES NOT LIE!!!!!! This one, he openly
- admits to lying!!!!!!

Response:: the terminator will do anything to complete his final mission, and if it means lying, then he'll do so. also if the orders from Kate would have placed her in danger, because she didnt know about the Terminator, then he shouldnt follow them- placing her in danger would be against mission parameters.
-
- HE DOES NOT SAY "I'll be back" ANYWHERE IN THIS
- MOVIE!!!!!!!!

Response: no comment
-
- The TX stares at herself in the mirror as she walks
- by it, what, is she a vain robot???????

Response: when? and who cares?

- The Terminator is unable to disable or "self
- terminate" but in this one, he does!!!!!!
- TWICE!!!!!!

Response: when? maybe you have a point
-
- The Terminator was crushed by a simple industrial
- hydrolic press in the original, yet, a big huge
- honkin blast door cannot crush him in this
- one!!!!!!!!!

Response: well it does eventually, when it comes down on him, plus the door is really old, from the cold war days, so it may not have the strength that it once did (or of an industrial press)

- He originally struggles to hold the door open with
- both hands, yet was able to let go with one hand
- later to hold on to the TX, then proceeds to remove
- his power core with his OTHER HAND later in that
- scene!!!!! What is he using to hold up the door
- then?????????

Response: by this time the door may have jammed, because he was holding it, so he'd have both hands free, or maybe he just put his knee to stop the decent.
-
- Not to mention, he has one main power core, and one
- reserve, he already lost one in the beginning, now
- he removed his reserve, yet he still talks and
- moves!!!!!!!!!

Response: well you know that some power is left, like when you unplug the power to your PC some idle power remains in the powersupply, so he may have some power left over?

- The Terminator speaks very technical and proper, in
- the first one, he describes the T1000 to be able to
- "imitate anything it samples by physical contact."
- In this one, he says "imitate anything it touches"
- which was John Conner's words, NOT the
- Terminator's!!!!!!!!
-
- OMG, I CAN KEEP GOING!!!!!!
-
- This movie is more like a Jerry Bruckheimer action
- flick than the serious Terminator action it's
- supposed to be...
-
- No insult to Bruckheimer films, but they are meant
- to be over the top, and humorous, this is just a
- disgrace to the Terminator name in my opinion...
-

i dont think it was bad at all. i think it stuck closely enough to the overall story and set up the sequels nicely, and admit it, youll watch T4!

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XyZspineZyX

11-10-2003, 06:16 PM

The thought of watching this movie never even crossed my mind.
The only thing more abstract to me than this movie, is that the leading role will soon be governor of California.

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XyZspineZyX

11-10-2003, 07:55 PM

Oleg wrote:
"- First of all, John Conner was supposed to be 10 in
- Terminator 2, when an attempt at his life was made
- by Skynet, in this movie, he said he was 13!!!!!
- WRONG!!!!!

Response: i dont think this is a big deal "

WHAT? You don't think it's a big deal that they got a fundamental fact about the series wrong?? What if in Return of the King, Frodo refers to himself as an elf instead of a hobbit? What if in Matrix 3 Neo claims to have been 16 when he was first taken out of the Matrix? I'm sorry, but a mistake this silly should not be made if the person was actually serious about making a movie that is supposed to follow another movie.

"- Arnold plays a T800 Model 101 Infiltrator
- Terminator, in this movie, he says he is a
- T101!!!!!!!!! WRONG!!!!!

Response: same as above"

Same response as above, you would think if they are going to spend millions of dollars making a sequal that they would at least get some of the fundamental facts correct. This just proves how much work really went into the story of this movie. If Neo in the 3rd Matrix told a story about his life in the Matrix as being named Bob Garrison and was a construction worker while we all knew he wasn't, that isn't a big deal? Alrighty then... *cough* low standards *cough*

"- It went T800 to T1000 to TX???????
Response: who cares?"

*cough* easily amused *cough*

"- She grew boobs just to kill the cop for his gun!! NO
- REASON TO GROW THE BOOBS!!!

Response: i liked her, and the boobs was just for fun..."

Wow, so the incredibly horrible acting really has no effect eh? Oh well, I guess anyone and everyone can be a successful actor if you're the standard audience they have to please. I'll pull joe schmoe off the street and he can play in a Shakespeare play in 3 days worth of rehearsals, man, profits will be mad, you'll just need to pay Joe in McDonalds every day. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Also, since when have the Terminator series been about fun? I never realized The Terminator and Terminator 2 were comedies, wow, I must not have been paying attention...

"- She was able to do a retinal scan on the first
- victims, but on the woman with the cat, she needed
- to TASTE her blood!! Why not just scan her
- retina??????????

Response: why not? its just showing off the features of the robot, what if the victim's eyes were lost, she'd have to be able to id her, this is another way"

WAS the victim's eyes lost? NO. not to mention if this was only a technology demo, she demonstrates the tasting ability about 10 seconds later when she discovers the rag with Conner's blood on it...

"Response: the idea that judgement day is "inevitable" makes it a FACT, so since in the Terminators time it happened, that means its a FACT so he speaks of FACTs when he says that its going to occur."

WRONG, facts does not mean inevitability. Why would they even bother to send people back in time if they don't feel they can alter the outcome? Both Terminators prior to this one hit this concept right on, both focused on the fact that "The future's not set, there's no fate but what we make for ourselves." Yes, that's a direct quote, obviously the moron makers of the third film forgot this, and so did you. So SORRY but YOUR use of CAPITAL letters is in VAIN.

"- John Conner knows damn well that the T800 from T2
- was destroyed and this one would not have any of
- it's memory, yet, he mentions all the catch phrases
- from T2 anyhow!!!

Response: maybe he's in denial"

Ah... maybe YOU'RE in denial...

"- The Lexus product placement was so obvious and
- horrendous!!!

Response: oh well, i didnt really mind it."

Oh of course not, I bet you if the Terminator in the middle of the movie stopped and advertised snickers you would go out to the consession stand and buy one right away.

"- The Terminator himself proclaims he lacks the memory
- of the one from T2, yet, he remembers the keys
- hidden in the sun visor from the very
- beginning!!!!!!

Response: actually if you notice he didnt use the keys to start the car, he hotwired it! didnt he grab the sunglasses from the sun visor?"

Pay a little bit of attention while watching the movie will you? He grabbed the sunglasses from the dashboard, he started the car with keys from the sunvisor.

"- THE FREAKIN FONT IN TERMAVISION WAS WAY TOO FREAKIN
- BIG!!!!!!
Response: what?"

Sorry, termavision was what the production crew called that first person view shots of the Terminator where it's all red with the scanning and all that stuff, random information pops up to either side, and important things are brought up in the center. In the wannabe termavision in T3, the font they used was HUGE, just so it's easy for the idiots watching it (me included, unfortunately) to be able to read it in case they are slow in catching on. It looked incredibly goofy.

"- We saw the way they travel through time from T2, it
- was a quick glowing ball that discepates
- immediately, yet, in this movie, it's a silver
- metallic, shiney ball that grows slowly then stays
- and hums for a while until it melts away!!!!
- WRONG!!!!!
Response: once again, who cares? these are small details that are irrelevant to the storyline, you sound like a trekkie freak"

WRONG again, I hate star trek, I just have a standard in movie quality, unlike you apparently, if it has booms and bangs you're there. The reason why this is important is because it proves what they're aiming for. They have no story content, so they try to wow the audience with fancy new special effects that just look stupid. Apparently the wowing worked on you. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I guess they weren't completely wrong. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

"- Arnold can hold on to the crane hook through
- buildings and such, but can't hang on through a
- firetruck!! ridiculous, not to mention the impact
- does not damage the truck or change it's course at
- all!!!
Response: well the physics part is obviously false, but maybe the fact that the truck was moving in the opposite direction knocked him off the hook, or maybe he let go purposely so that he could capture the firetruck and use it to capture the TX vehicle?"

You just contradicted yourself, because the firetruck was going in the opposite direction, the speed in which Arnold would have been slammed into it would be the sum of both the speed of the crane truck and the fire truck. While the speed and velocity of the crane truck alone seemed to be able to smash through buildings with Arnold still attached, it seemed he could smash into a firetruck going in the opposite direction, meaning he would hit it at even greater velocity, and no damage will happen to the truck. Not to mention the goofy *bonk* sound straight out of Looney Toons that was played when he hit the truck, oh yah, nice touch.

"Response: she can control machines, so that it has nothing to do with remote control or antything, its as if she's using ESP to press down on the controlls and sense obstacles so that she doesnt have to be present to be able to control them."

ESP? Wow, she's a psychic now? The cars have no sensors to sense obstacles, she cannot sense obstacles through the cars themselves. Not to mention you fail to address the fact that cars do not have the systems required to turn the wheels on their own, power steering ASSISTS the turning of the wheels, but the person still needs to be there to exert force on the steering wheel.

"Response: well in the end she was in a weakened state, although it is dubious why she would be weakened by an explosion from the helicopter collision and not be hurt by a point blank bazooka blast"

Understand metal. Metal does not start to crumble. It'll either stay rigid and take hits, or it'll bend and resist breaking, or it'll break. Unless she started rusting, and the rust made it easier for him to break her... Wow, even in the future they could not control rust. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

"Response: it wasnt pain, it was anger, that she cant complete her mission, once again a small detail"

If it was anger, they did it completely wrong, from the reaction time, the way she pulled away from the "injury" to the facial expression and cringing, it was pure pain, if they meant anger, someone fire the CG animator.

"Response:: the terminator will do anything to complete his final mission, and if it means lying, then he'll do so. also if the orders from Kate would have placed her in danger, because she didnt know about the Terminator, then he shouldnt follow them- placing her in danger would be against mission parameters."

Wrong, pay attention to the dialogue between John and the Terminator in T2. He's blatenly honest, even when he could have lied to make John more controllable. Like openly telling John that the T1000 will kill his mom even though going to rescue Sarah is not within his mission parameters.

"- The TX stares at herself in the mirror as she walks
- by it, what, is she a vain robot???????

Response: when? and who cares?"

See, you're not even paying attention, my friend whow as with me doesn't write movie reviews and isn't as detail oriented as I am, and even he glared at me when she did that. He had the "WTH??" look on his face, and he mentioned it afterward. But obviously you don't care: "BOOM, BANG! YIPEE!!"

"- The Terminator is unable to disable or "self
- terminate" but in this one, he does!!!!!!
- TWICE!!!!!!

Response: when? maybe you have a point"

The first time is when he was "reprogrammed" to go after John in the aircraft hanger, when he smashes the little Toyota truck to smitherines and shuts himself off. The second is when he took the battery pack out at the end to blow himself and the TX up. (BTW, he takes out his second, and last, battery pack and is still working, somehow...)

"- The Terminator was crushed by a simple industrial
- hydrolic press in the original, yet, a big huge
- honkin blast door cannot crush him in this
- one!!!!!!!!!

Response: well it does eventually, when it comes down on him, plus the door is really old, from the cold war days, so it may not have the strength that it once did (or of an industrial press)"

Um, no, the door never goes down on him, not even when he let's go with the other hand to get to his battery pack, I guess they all forgot he was supposed to be holding the door up. Hydrolics work because liquid does not compress much. The hydrolics required to lift that door in the first place proves that it would be multiple times as effective on the way back down since gravity is on it's side.

"- He originally struggles to hold the door open with
- both hands, yet was able to let go with one hand
- later to hold on to the TX, then proceeds to remove
- his power core with his OTHER HAND later in that
- scene!!!!! What is he using to hold up the door
- then?????????

Response: by this time the door may have jammed, because he was holding it, so he'd have both hands free, or maybe he just put his knee to stop the decent."

Oh yes, it just jammed, a piece of sand flew into the gears and it wasn't able to budge. And what took all his strength of both arms could have been avoided if he had only used his knee in the first place. Better have used the good leg, not the one he was limping on...

"- Not to mention, he has one main power core, and one
- reserve, he already lost one in the beginning, now
- he removed his reserve, yet he still talks and
- moves!!!!!!!!!

Response: well you know that some power is left, like when you unplug the power to your PC some idle power remains in the powersupply, so he may have some power left over?"

Nope, the amount of energy required to sustain all of his functions would require a steady stream of who knows how many amps of how many volts (or watts, sorry, forgot which is which). Also, in T2, the second his power was ruptured (without exploding mind you), it took no more than 2 more seconds for him to be completely disabled, and even in those 2 seconds, he was just cringing from the purging of the power.

"i dont think it was bad at all. i think it stuck closely enough to the overall story and set up the sequels nicely, and admit it, youll watch T4!"

Well, you obviously don't have much of a standard when watching a movie. It didn't stick to the story at all, in fact, they seemed to have meticulously went against each and every aspect of the previous Terminator movies like Shakespeare with the rules set by Aristotle's Poetics.

About T4, I will see the previews, and if it's nothing but the future war, which was the only thing I wanted to watch in T3, then I will watch it. Unfortunately T3 only had a few short clips of the future war, and none of it was really that great anyway.

And Oleg, you're such a *******. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif j/k man, why'd you have to dig this up? I almost got over how crappy this movie is, now you got me all mad again! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

XyZspineZyX

11-11-2003, 12:02 AM

ok, first off i have standards, just look at all my bit$hing about Enemy at the Gates and how bad it was. its just that some movies i hold to higher standards than others, to me the details in T3 didnt really matter as much as the overall storyline, now lets examine the individual points:

Demon wrote:
-Pay a little bit of attention while watching the
- movie will you? He grabbed the sunglasses from the
- dashboard, he started the car with keys from the
- sunvisor.

Response: ok, i just saw the DVD a few days ago, and even my dad commented, "yeah, this is just like hollywood, starting a car by putting 2 wires together." he did reach for the sun visor and took something out (forget what) but i distinctly remember seeing him mess with the wires to start the car.

Demon wrote:
- WHAT? You don't think it's a big deal that they got
- a fundamental fact about the series wrong?? What if
- in Return of the King, Frodo refers to himself as an
- elf instead of a hobbit? What if in Matrix 3 Neo
- claims to have been 16 when he was first taken out
- of the Matrix? I'm sorry, but a mistake this silly
- should not be made if the person was actually
- serious about making a movie that is supposed to
- follow another movie.

Response: well, making Frodo (i almost wrote Hobo, shows how big a fan i am) into an Elf would drastically change the story, same if Neo was 16, but making Conner 13 as apposed to 10 doesnt make an impact on the Terminator storyline, in fact having him be 13 in T2 is actually more believable than if he was 10, when did you last see a 10 year old stealing from an ATM, riding a motorcross bike and reloading hand guns?

Demon wrote:
- Also, since when have the Terminator series been
- about fun? I never realized The Terminator and
- Terminator 2 were comedies, wow, I must not have
- been paying attention...

Response: well, i thought movies are supposed to be entertaining and fun to watch... granted some movies dont need or cant have funny moments (Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's list, could you imagine having a humourous aside in those?) but the Terminator series isnt about serious hard hitting drama and morality, etc. its an above average action film.

Demon wrote:
- WAS the victim's eyes lost? NO. not to mention if
- this was only a technology demo, she demonstrates
- the tasting ability about 10 seconds later when she
- discovers the rag with Conner's blood on it...

Response: so whats your point? she tasted the rag, cause the rag has no eyes. overall it makes her a more menacing character, because its like she likes the taste of human blood.

Demon wrote:
- WRONG, facts does not mean inevitability. Why would
- they even bother to send people back in time if they
- don't feel they can alter the outcome? Both
- Terminators prior to this one hit this concept right
- on, both focused on the fact that "The future's not
- set, there's no fate but what we make for
- ourselves." Yes, that's a direct quote, obviously
- the moron makers of the third film forgot this, and
- so did you. So SORRY but YOUR use of CAPITAL letters
- is in VAIN.

Response: VAIN? I THINK NOT /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .
since judgement day happened in the Terminator's time, then it is a fact. i agree with you abot the issue from the 2nd film that says the future is not set and there is no fate- it appears the film makers departed from this issue because in the 3rd one i remember Connor saying that judgement day was allways supposed to happen and they couldnt stop it (maybe it wasnt him, but someone said it)

Demon wrote:
- Ah... maybe YOU'RE in denial...

Response: thats a very lame comeback to an already lame response. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
maybe Connor wants to have the old Terminator back, because he wants to be back in the days with his mom, so if the Terminator remembers the catchphrases he'll remember the mom and that will make Connor feel good.

Demon wrote:
- ESP? Wow, she's a psychic now? The cars have no
- sensors to sense obstacles, she cannot sense
- obstacles through the cars themselves. Not to
- mention you fail to address the fact that cars do
- not have the systems required to turn the wheels on
- their own, power steering ASSISTS the turning of the
- wheels, but the person still needs to be there to
- exert force on the steering wheel.

Response: ok, what i mean is she can move things with her mind, kind of like jedi powers or something, so that she steers with her mind and presses the pedals with her mind, then she senses the obstacles not through the cars, but maybe she has like a radar or sonar or some other thing that allows her to see great distances ahead and feel for obstacles.

Demon wrote:
- If it was anger, they did it completely wrong, from
- the reaction time, the way she pulled away from the
- "injury" to the facial expression and cringing, it
- was pure pain, if they meant anger, someone fire the
- CG animator.

Response: i still say its anger, machines cant feel pain, it would be a huge oversight if the film makers made her feel pain, but then this wouldnt take away too much.

Demon wrote:
- Wrong, pay attention to the dialogue between John
- and the Terminator in T2. He's blatenly honest, even
- when he could have lied to make John more
- controllable. Like openly telling John that the
- T1000 will kill his mom even though going to rescue
- Sarah is not within his mission parameters.

Response: so he tells a lie, who cares? he does it to achieve mission objectives, the objectives override anything else (except for rational orders from a person that understands the situation at hand)

Demon wrote:
- See, you're not even paying attention, my friend
- whow as with me doesn't write movie reviews and
- isn't as detail oriented as I am, and even he glared
- at me when she did that. He had the "WTH??" look on
- his face, and he mentioned it afterward. But
- obviously you don't care: "BOOM, BANG! YIPEE!!"

Response: dont think this is a big deal, thats all. so the girl wants to make sure she looks good, who cares?

Demon wrote:
- Oh yes, it just jammed, a piece of sand flew into
- the gears and it wasn't able to budge. And what took
- all his strength of both arms could have been
- avoided if he had only used his knee in the first
- place. Better have used the good leg, not the one he
- was limping on...

Response: yeah it jammed, because he didnt let the doors closed, so the thing making the doors come down probably broke. so now he has two hands free.

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"Generals dont run; during peace this prompts laughter, during war this prompts panic."

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"Generals dont run; during peace this prompts laughter, during war this prompts panic."

XyZspineZyX

11-11-2003, 01:23 AM

"Response: ok, i just saw the DVD a few days ago, and even my dad commented, "yeah, this is just like hollywood, starting a car by putting 2 wires together." he did reach for the sun visor and took something out (forget what) but i distinctly remember seeing him mess with the wires to start the car."

I KNOW for a fact he got the keys to ONE of the cars in the movie from the sun visor, it may not have been the first one you're talking about when he got the sunglasses, but he did do it, and no, John Conner did not teach it to him again.

"Response: well, making Frodo (i almost wrote Hobo, shows how big a fan i am) into an Elf would drastically change the story, same if Neo was 16, but making Conner 13 as apposed to 10 doesnt make an impact on the Terminator storyline, in fact having him be 13 in T2 is actually more believable than if he was 10, when did you last see a 10 year old stealing from an ATM, riding a motorcross bike and reloading hand guns?"

It does make a difference because it throws off the timeline completely. At 13, the nuclear war was going on, T1000 didn't try to kill John while the nuclear war was going on, well, at least I didn't notice any nuclear bombs dropping during the movie...

"Response: well, i thought movies are supposed to be entertaining and fun to watch... granted some movies dont need or cant have funny moments (Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's list, could you imagine having a humourous aside in those?) but the Terminator series isnt about serious hard hitting drama and morality, etc. its an above average action film."

Really? If you knew me in person, I'll sit you down and we'll watch T2. It's FAR from being a typical action film, you're not giving credit where it's due.

"Response: so whats your point? she tasted the rag, cause the rag has no eyes. overall it makes her a more menacing character, because its like she likes the taste of human blood."

"Menacing?" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif LOL, do you even remember that scene? She kneels down, says in this really horrible way like she's reading off the script still "Kathy blah blah?" (forgot her name), reaches over with the arm arced and her wrist bent like she's a ditzy girl about to taste her birthday cake, puts her finger on her tongue, and in a very crappy manner says "no." Answering her own question, wow, so menacing, lmao! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

"since judgement day happened in the Terminator's time, then it is a fact."

Listen to me you *******, I never said it wasn't a fact, the thing he said, which ISN'T a fact is that it "inevitable." He says the war is inevitable, and in fact, it isn't. They just had to find a cheap excuse to make this sequel possible since they actually ended it in T2. So thanks again for stating the irrelevent obvious fact that isn't even being argued...

"saying that judgement day was allways supposed to happen and they couldnt stop it"

Um... maybe you are starting to get it, the person who said this, is not John, it was the Terminator, and the war being inevitable is not a fact.

"maybe Connor wants to have the old Terminator back, because he wants to be back in the days with his mom, so if the Terminator remembers the catchphrases he'll remember the mom and that will make Connor feel good."

Yah, right, and maybe the people making this film actually watched the old movies and only accidentally got all the facts wrong. Right, maybe there's really a tooth fairy, maybe the world is actually flat, MAYBE you're drawing at straws here...

"Response: ok, what i mean is she can move things with her mind, kind of like jedi powers or something, so that she steers with her mind and presses the pedals with her mind, then she senses the obstacles not through the cars, but maybe she has like a radar or sonar or some other thing that allows her to see great distances ahead and feel for obstacles."

Ok, again, you're not at all addressing the argument here. No one is arguing that she supposed to have the ability to control electrical devices through nanotechnology or whatever, but, READ CAREFULLY NOW, cars cannot PHYSICALLY steer themselves! The power steering is to ASSIST a HUMAN driver which STILL HAS TO EXERT force on the steering wheel MANUALLY to get the wheels to turn!

"Response: i still say its anger, machines cant feel pain, it would be a huge oversight if the film makers made her feel pain, but then this wouldnt take away too much."

Yes, it WAS a major oversight, just like EVERYTHING else, and of course, it appears that NOTHING they can do can take away too much in your opinion, they could have made the T800 (That will be Arnold, the T101 in this movie) wear polyester clothes and dance the disco in the middle of the movie with the TX by his side and you'd probably say it's a good relief from all the action...

"Response: so he tells a lie, who cares? he does it to achieve mission objectives, the objectives override anything else (except for rational orders from a person that understands the situation at hand)"

Oh yah, excuses, you forget the person he lied to was his COMMANDER! Kate Brewster sent him back, anything she says, goes, yet, he doesn't listen to her at all in the beginning.

John Conner got the T800 in T2 to stand on one foot, I'm sure when the two jocks approached them, it would have been tactically sound to be standing firm on both feet, but he didn't put his foot down until John Conner told him to! That is how the Terminators are!

"Response: dont think this is a big deal, thats all. so the girl wants to make sure she looks good, who cares?"

EXCEPT IT'S NOT A GIRL, IT'S A MACHINE! obviously you wouldn't care if she would have stopped to put on make-up!

"Response: yeah it jammed, because he didnt let the doors closed, so the thing making the doors come down probably broke. so now he has two hands free."

Again, making up excuses for someone. I bet you if they are honest, and you brought that up to them, they'll respond with "oops, didn't think about that..." While you're here making up your own excuses to defend them.

I'm sorry, but the makers of this movie really were not paying any attention at all, and it really shows. They didn't even watch the other movies. How do I know? I know because if they did, just like everyone else who has ever watched them, they wouldn't have gotten some of the fundamental timeline and character information wrong. Those are not mistakes you make when making a movie.

And don't think I'm just overly picky, and any technical mistake makes the movie bad, these mistakes are not small and irrelevant like you tried to make them seem. Do you want to hear a small and irrelevant technical mistake that is negligable?

In Terminator 2, After Miles Dyson gets them into the Cyberdyne building, the guards eventually sound the silent alarm, which deactivated all keycard access throughout the building. All they have is one last door to the lab, but it isn't working. Arnold, as the T800, not T101, starts to load his M79 grenade launcher and says: "Here, let me try mine." Sarah quickly moved Dyson and announced that he is about to fire a hole. He stands about 5 - 6 feet from the door as he fires the grenade into it, blowing a hulking hole in the door. Well, in real life, the M79 rounds have a safety system built in them where it has to rotate in the air 7 times before it arms itself, in real life, it would have hit the door and bounced off.

Now THAT is a negligable error, try to tell the difference here Oleg.

Anyway, I have ONE good thing to say about the movie. The ONE time the director and/or screenplay writer seemed to actually put a little bit of thought into a scene was when the TX visits Kate's home with her husband or fiance still sleeping in the bed. Instead of simply killing the guy, she waits until he wakes up, and talks, I think he asks who she is, or what she is doing inside their house, and THEN she kills him. The reason why this is the one ok feature in the movie is because instead of the typical going around killing everyone indiscriminately, she needs to sample his voice first in order to imitate him, so she waits for once. There, don't say I didn't pay attention to the good things about this movie, I just listed all 1 of them right here for you in case you missed it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

XyZspineZyX

11-12-2003, 02:21 AM

Demon wrote:
"Ok, again, you're not at all addressing the argument
- here. No one is arguing that she supposed to have
- the ability to control electrical devices through
- nanotechnology or whatever, but, READ CAREFULLY NOW,
- cars cannot PHYSICALLY steer themselves! The power
- steering is to ASSIST a HUMAN driver which STILL HAS
- TO EXERT force on the steering wheel MANUALLY to get
- the wheels to turn! "

Response: "listen to me you *******," youre not reading the answer, she is exerting force on the steering wheel through her mind, its as if she was making objects levitate or bending spoons with her mind, that requires FORCE being EXERTED on the objects, doesnt it? so follow me now (i know its complicated but you must try) if other movies have a character liftin objects with his mind, by exerting force on them, why cant she spin the wheel with her mind, by exerting the same force?!

Demon wrote:
"- It does make a difference because it throws off the
- timeline completely. At 13, the nuclear war was
- going on, T1000 didn't try to kill John while the
- nuclear war was going on, well, at least I didn't
- notice any nuclear bombs dropping during the
- movie...
-"
Response: "t 13, the nuclear war was
going on, T1000 didn't try to kill John while the
nuclear war was going on" how does this statement make any type of sense?

furthermore, i dont remember them ever saying that John was 10 during T2, this would actually be detremental to the film (like i said before) because a 10 year old wouldnt be doing all the things he did in the movie. so making him 13 actually echnances the storyline!

i still say that youre too hard on it, i think that T3 was better than Matrix Revolutions, yet i dont see you complaining about Matrix nearly as much as youre complaining about this.

_______________________________________

"Generals dont run; during peace this prompts laughter, during war this prompts panic."

XyZspineZyX

11-12-2003, 06:24 AM

Oleg wrote:
"Response: "listen to me you *******," youre not reading the answer, she is exerting force on the steering wheel through her mind, its as if she was making objects levitate or bending spoons with her mind, that requires FORCE being EXERTED on the objects, doesnt it? so follow me now (i know its complicated but you must try) if other movies have a character liftin objects with his mind, by exerting force on them, why cant she spin the wheel with her mind, by exerting the same force?!"

OMG, that just made it 100 times MORE stupid then!! LMAO, She has telekinesis????? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif LMAO, thanks Oleg, if you're right, then I change my mind, T3 doesn't just suck, it's 1000 times worse now! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

"Response: "t 13, the nuclear war was
going on, T1000 didn't try to kill John while the
nuclear war was going on" how does this statement make any type of sense?"

um.... is it too hard for you to understand?? The movie took place in 1994, John Conner was 10, if he was 13, like he said in this movie, then it would have been 1997, which is when the nuclear war began... get it??

"furthermore, i dont remember them ever saying that John was 10 during T2, this would actually be detremental to the film (like i said before) because a 10 year old wouldnt be doing all the things he did in the movie. so making him 13 actually echnances the storyline!"

Oh yah, except it totally screws up the entire timeline of the movies, LA should have been turned into rubble during T2, and blowing up Cyberdyne would have been useless since skynet would have already existed...

"i still say that youre too hard on it, i think that T3 was better than Matrix Revolutions, yet i dont see you complaining about Matrix nearly as much as youre complaining about this."

What are you talking about? I am complaining about Matrix, except the Matrix already began as a movie with a lot of improbable ideas, all it did was enhance them in the sequels, basically, it was an outrageous idea that just got worse. The Terminator series was two great movies, the first one was an awesome all out action flick while the second one was an action flick with drama and suspense, now the third one is an action-comedy... At least Matrix stuck with the same formula all through-out, even though it wasn't good...

<hr>
--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

XyZspineZyX

11-12-2003, 07:50 AM

i think you must admit that having John be 13 is a much better idea than him being 10, or do you believe that a 10 year old could do all those things?

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"Generals dont run; during peace this prompts laughter, during war this prompts panic."

XyZspineZyX

11-13-2003, 12:55 AM

Maybe, but once you've established something like a character's age, you should stick with it and be consistent. Then again, if you're going to change the actor...

That notwithstanding, I really enjoyed T3. I went in hearing they'd just stomped on the legacy of the first 2, but I don't think so, and I just watched it again on dvd and it's still good. The car chase is great, the bathroom fight is great. As hokey as I thought the idea of a female terminator would be, it works and I thought she was actually pretty creepy.

I like the fact that the new guy wasn't afraid to just say, you know what, the first two movies were wrong! You just can't stop progress. While I have some problems with this (if everything's so inevitable, why not just chill out and let nature take its course?), it sets up some interesting possibilities. I mean, if a story wants to push the idea of fate in general terms, then I can leave it alone, but fate dictating the necessity of there being a computer system called Skynet that causes a nuclear war, etc, etc? It makes you think that there may be something out there in the future pulling strings to make things happen a certain way.

Anyway, that's kinda beside the point. All in all, T3 wasn't quite the holy crap epiphany that T2 was, but then, we've seen so much in movies in the past 5 years that it's really hard to find something that new that inspires that awe. Look what's happened to the matrix sequels...I still enjoyed it thoroughly and didn't think twice about picking it up when it went on sale the other day.

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11-13-2003, 05:08 AM

Well Bald, I understand if you enjoyed it, but you're still giving them more credit than they deserve. The whole changing everything around was not Mastow being bold and saying the previous movies were wrong, it's simply because they ended it in T2, and He had to think of some cheap way of making an excuse for how there can be another sequel.

The car chase was way too long, when you keep an action sequence on too long, it dulls the effect, and the shock value drops consistantly. Most movies try to keep scenes fairly brief unless it's of great importance, like the climax. They do this because we naturally have a fairly short attention span, so it's more stimulating to the mind if you keep striking the opposites. Such as using periods of silence and calm to enhance the chaos when action ensues. T2 did this very well. The car chase scene in T3 seemed more like a space filler than anything else. If anything, it could also be just "another car chase scene" that seems to be so popular in every movie lately.

I'm not really too sure if I touched on this yet, but John tells a touching story of how him and his mother moved around together, and she lived through her cancer until she knew the nuclear war didn't happen, and then she died. So, they were fugitives and all they had were each other, yet, John wasn't aware of what happened to Sarah's body after she died. That's a bit odd to me... Just to add to the confusion, the only person that should have know what happened, didn't, and somehow, where her body was and what was hidden in the coffin was still knowledge passed on to the Terminator. I forgot who they claimed passed on the knowledge, but who could have possibly known about it if not John? Anyway, I'm not going to start bringing up new things about the movie, oh, and BTW, coffins are not bullet proof, just wanted to throw that fact out there for the people who remember the graveyard scene. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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11-13-2003, 01:50 PM

Well, I don't want to get you all worked up again over this flick, but I like it enough to defend it some.

For starters, nothing in the 2nd movie ever proved that judgement day had been averted. The little mantra of the first two movies was 'no future but what we make', but who knows? Doesn't the very existence of terminators in the present, not to mention john himself, demand judgement day and their creation in the future? That's the sort of paradox you get with time travel plots, but in my mind there's enough of an opening there for the 2nd movie to take place.

As for the chase scene, I loved it. Better than the Reloaded one, but I loved that one too. I also loved the chases in the Bourne Identity and Ronin, among others. None of those scenes were especially short. I think that's just a matter of taste. I certainly don't think it became dull, and it wasn't any longer than the aqueduct chase from T2.

As for John not knowing about his mother, he says he took off right after she died...perhaps he really did mean RIGHT after. We know that they had friends from the 2nd movie, it's not at all unreasonable that they would have looked after her funeral and executed her will. We know that spanish dude certainly had the guns laying around.

And as for knowing where the guns were, they were left in accordance with her wishes, and if Brewster and John are there to see them in the present, wouldn't they know where to tell the Terminator to get them in the future? It's not spelled out, but it's not unreasonable either, like a few of the other leaps.

And yeah, I know coffins aren't bulletproof, but don't really care overly much. On that one, I'm willing to just say, hey, it's a movie. Just like when Arnie's firing the machine gun at the police cars, he's standing on a hill and firing about 15-20 degrees up, he'd be shooting way over everyone's head. It doesn't destroy the movie for me or anything.

And a lot of people pick on the model number thing. I don't recall exactly, but I think somewhere in something I read for T2 (I had the official magazine back when it came out, you know. And yes, I am an enormous nerd) it said he was a T-800 model 101. Or something like that. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

I'm willing to attribute the first exploding fuel cell to that crazy ion cannon thing he got blasted with. The 2nd one, I dunno. Maybe he did it himself. I know he can't self terminate, but what if he knew that the explosion would destroy the TX and ensure completion of his mission? In T2, there wasn't any imminent threat when it came up. I think it makes sense.

I think a lot of people were let down by this movie because, for one thing, it's not a jim cameron movie. Looking at mostow's resume going in, I was dubious myself. U-571 and Breakdown? Breakdown was alright, didn't break any records, that's for sure. U-571, I won't go there...except to say, haters of this movie can look at that one and say, 'look, more revisionist history' as it should have been the brits, not the americans, capturing the boat and...ok, apparently I did go there. Anyway.

There's definitely a different visual style at work. The colours are more bright and warm, compared to the slightly flat, cold blue tones of the first two films. Look at them side by side, it's a pretty striking difference. T2, even in daylight, is never as bright and warm looking as T3. This is one thing that bothered me a bit, because if any movie needed a dark, bleak look, it should have been this one. Still, it works. Shot selection is also very different, mostow brings the camera much closer to his actors. Many more closeups. Just an interesting difference, doesn't mean anything. It did feel like a Terminator movie, despite the changes, though.

I dunno. I've gone on too long already. Long story short, movie good, you dumb. No, just kidding. Everyone gets to have an opinion. I'm extremely picky, so I know where you're coming from here, but this one worked for me.

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11-13-2003, 10:50 PM

BaldBeard wrote:

- For starters, nothing in the 2nd movie ever proved
- that judgement day had been averted. The little
- mantra of the first two movies was 'no future but
- what we make', but who knows? Doesn't the very
- existence of terminators in the present, not to
- mention john himself, demand judgement day and their
- creation in the future? That's the sort of paradox
- you get with time travel plots, but in my mind
- there's enough of an opening there for the 2nd movie
- to take place.

this is quite true... well done.... I agree with this bit...

the fact that John connor exists is proof the judgement day WILL COME.... since terminators must exist in order for one to be sent back in time THUS Kyle is sent back too..... to you know.... meet sarah... therefore... if no judgement day... no John connor !!

but it doesnt take away from the fact... the film makers needed to do a little more work on the plot (story)... rather than spend their wasteful time on action.... action was good... but in a terminator movie not really a major necessity !! and thats jusymy opinion /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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11-13-2003, 10:57 PM

You didn't have to reply to this, spammer. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I'm getting a kick out of watching Oleg and Demon go at it, I might actually have to see this movie, though I probably wouldn't take it too seriously. Maybe Demon is being just a bit picky, I don't know. If I cared as much about it as Demon does I'd be critical too, the first two were really good and I'd expect a high standard for any worthy third movie. At the very least I'd expect Demon to be technically correct about almost everything he said (he remembers all this stuff and forgets a character's name), even if I did think he was ruining the fun. Oleg I'm with you on the fun part, but I'd probably be the first to admit that compared to the first one a movie with that many problems is crap compared to the first one, and trying to explain it away with really implausible explanations only makes it worse. Now come on, "Use the Force?," come on, if she could use the force why does she just use her mind powers to kill him outright? (I am assuming John Connor and the TX get within close proximity). I think I'll make a point to see T3 now, and I'll probably enjoy it. . . probably because it is bad.

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11-13-2003, 11:52 PM

Bald wrote:
"For starters, nothing in the 2nd movie ever proved that judgement day had been averted. The little mantra of the first two movies was 'no future but what we make', but who knows? Doesn't the very existence of terminators in the present, not to mention john himself, demand judgement day and their creation in the future? That's the sort of paradox you get with time travel plots, but in my mind there's enough of an opening there for the 2nd movie to take place."

Well, they know who was responsible for developing it, and that's Miles Dyson, not Kate Brewster's dad like they claimed it was "all along" in the third one. They destroyed everything to ensure no one continues his work. If you watch the special editions, you'll see the original intended ending, which shows the future with John as a father of a little girl and Sarah is old, making a journal to herself in a voice recorder. They chose to not do that ending because it was a bit too corny and just didn't fit the atmosphere of the movie. So basically, they even filmed the "future" and the war was averted.

"As for the chase scene, I loved it. Better than the Reloaded one, but I loved that one too. I also loved the chases in the Bourne Identity and Ronin, among others. None of those scenes were especially short. I think that's just a matter of taste. I certainly don't think it became dull, and it wasn't any longer than the aqueduct chase from T2."

The difference between the chase in T3 and T2 is that nothing came out of the chase in T3, once it ended, they just drove away, in T2, the chase scene was crucial because it led them to the metal refinery where the movie's ending climax takes place. I also think the same thing about Reloaded's chase, it also really led nowhere, but it had more of an excuse since it was to get to an exit, I think.

"As for John not knowing about his mother, he says he took off right after she died...perhaps he really did mean RIGHT after. We know that they had friends from the 2nd movie, it's not at all unreasonable that they would have looked after her funeral and executed her will. We know that spanish dude certainly had the guns laying around."

The entire spanish family you saw in T2 was wiped out and killed by the T1000, that was a part that was cut out of the original film. Sorry to tell you that.

"And as for knowing where the guns were, they were left in accordance with her wishes, and if Brewster and John are there to see them in the present, wouldn't they know where to tell the Terminator to get them in the future? It's not spelled out, but it's not unreasonable either, like a few of the other leaps."

Yah, that would be kind of like the same loop that is created with Kyle Reese being John's dad, since John wouldn't have existed without sending Kyle back, and Kyle wouldn't have been sent back without John existing... However, I think the original Terminator deserves a lot more slack in these logical errors than this one does, at least in my opinion since I liked that one better. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

"And yeah, I know coffins aren't bulletproof, but don't really care overly much. On that one, I'm willing to just say, hey, it's a movie. Just like when Arnie's firing the machine gun at the police cars, he's standing on a hill and firing about 15-20 degrees up, he'd be shooting way over everyone's head. It doesn't destroy the movie for me or anything."

Well, you can't use an example of a mistake from the same movie to justify the mistake! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Anyway, not to mention cars are not bullet proof, not even cop cars, most movies will have cars block bullets, but for most cars, rifle rounds would travel straight through. Unless other objects get in the way, like it goes through a car door and into the seat, but any bullets entering one side, will go through that door, and go through the other door, hitting anyone hiding on the other side. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif But I guess we'll let everything go.

But about that scene, perhaps you should explain why when Kate was fooled by the TX in thinking she's her husband/fiance, why did the TX change back instead of simply killing her once she goes to hug her? They wanted to do the whole "cool" morphing effect and make an excuse why she would believe the Terminator's story about the whole thing.

"And a lot of people pick on the model number thing. I don't recall exactly, but I think somewhere in something I read for T2 (I had the official magazine back when it came out, you know. And yes, I am an enormous nerd) it said he was a T-800 model 101. Or something like that. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt."

Yes, he's a T800 Model 101, exactly like I said. T800 is the version of the robot itself, and the model number is the look of the skin they put on. Model 101 will look like Arnold, while Model 100 will look like some other buff dude. In T3, he calls himself a T101... I already said that I understand where they got the mistake from, but it's still a mistake.

"I'm willing to attribute the first exploding fuel cell to that crazy ion cannon thing he got blasted with. The 2nd one, I dunno. Maybe he did it himself. I know he can't self terminate, but what if he knew that the explosion would destroy the TX and ensure completion of his mission? In T2, there wasn't any imminent threat when it came up. I think it makes sense."

Nope, the Terminator is bound by mission protocol, and self-termination no matter what, is prevented. Whether or not there is a benefit, or an iminent threat, is a subjective point, and the cpu will never let a mission protocol be up to a subjective variable.

Anyway, the points here is that he removed both power cells and was still functional, and also the fact that his ruptured power cell in the second Terminator movie did not explode, nor did it explode in the first one when it was crushed in the hydrolic press. So it's been proven, by experiment almost, that rupturing their power will cause a purge in electricity, but will not explode. Yet, it explodes on both occassions in T3.

"I think a lot of people were let down by this movie because, for one thing, it's not a jim cameron movie. Looking at mostow's resume going in, I was dubious myself. U-571 and Breakdown? Breakdown was alright, didn't break any records, that's for sure. U-571, I won't go there...except to say, haters of this movie can look at that one and say, 'look, more revisionist history' as it should have been the brits, not the americans, capturing the boat and...ok, apparently I did go there. Anyway."

Well, there was a VERY good reason why Jim turned down the T3 script. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Actually, several reasons, it wasn't a very well thought out script, and Cameron ended the series in the second one. He didn't buy their excuses for bringing it back, and neither do I. I think it's safer to take his side than to take the side of the makers of this film.

"There's definitely a different visual style at work. The colours are more bright and warm, compared to the slightly flat, cold blue tones of the first two films. Look at them side by side, it's a pretty striking difference. T2, even in daylight, is never as bright and warm looking as T3. This is one thing that bothered me a bit, because if any movie needed a dark, bleak look, it should have been this one. Still, it works. Shot selection is also very different, mostow brings the camera much closer to his actors. Many more closeups. Just an interesting difference, doesn't mean anything. It did feel like a Terminator movie, despite the changes, though."

Well actually Bald, you're noticing the color schemes, and that's great, but you are missing the mark, but only slightly. The BEGINNING of T2 was made with a flat and blue tint, best scene to see this is when John and the Terminator are talking in that empty parking lot after John tries to call his foster parents. Especially the little sequence:
John: "You can't just go around killing people?"
T800: "Why?"
John: "What do you mean why? 'Cause you can't!"
T800: "Why?"
John: "You just can't, ok, trust me on this."

That scene, since it was pretty calm and the camera was fairly stable, you can clearly see the blue metal color scheme they did, and the dark sunglasses played a role too. In the beginning, the Terminator is just a machine, no emotion, pure machine, thus the blue tint and the glasses shading the eyes. But this actually changes after the breaking out of the hospital scene, it slowly got away from the blue color scheme and he lost his sunglasses in the struggle to get the hospital hands off of Sarah. The Terminator is supposed to become more "human" after that point, thus ridding of the glasses so you can see his eyes.

I believe the color scheme returns to the blue toward the end when Sarah suits up to go after Miles Dyson, and the music changed too, because at that point, Sarah is the new Terminator, out to kill Miles.

"I dunno. I've gone on too long already. Long story short, movie good, you dumb. No, just kidding. Everyone gets to have an opinion. I'm extremely picky, so I know where you're coming from here, but this one worked for me."

You think you're extremely picky, but you seem to enjoy the common action flick just like most people, perhaps you're more picky about topics that really interest you, like WWII maybe? Maybe you're not a huge T2 fan, so this movie didn't seem as much like blasphemy to you as it did for me. But honestly, even treating it like a separate movie apart from the rest of the series, meaning disregarding the technical mistakes of consistency with the previous films, it's still pretty weak.

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11-14-2003, 12:32 AM

Thoramir wrote:
- You didn't have to reply to this, spammer.

LoL.....I've been called a lot of things before..... spammer is new to me... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

i guess your reply is a huge contradiction /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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11-14-2003, 12:38 AM

I think Thor was referring to Pace.

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11-14-2003, 01:02 AM

Demon_Mustang wrote:
- I think Thor was referring to Pace.
-

ahhah.... "I see".. says the blind man !!!

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11-14-2003, 02:24 AM

Well, here we go with the point by point rebuttals. Sigh.

"Well, they know who was responsible for developing
- it, and that's Miles Dyson, not Kate Brewster's dad
- like they claimed it was "all along" in the third
- one. They destroyed everything to ensure no one
- continues his work."

Dyson worked for Cyberdyne, a defence contractor. A project like that is funded by government contract, Cyberdyne's not going to make AI controlled B2's to sell to Wal-Mart. While Dyson was the guy responsible for researching and creating skynet (the T2 skynet, anyway), a project like that is funded by the government, and was under Brewster's supervision. When cyberdyne is destroyed, the project doesn't die, it's just set back, because all the cyberdyne work, as well as their terminator pieces, are lost. Thus, the delay in judgement day as development on the skynet project is restarted.

And I know all about the special editions and all that, but in my opinion, the movie is the movie. If the deleted scenes were necessary, they wouldn't have been deleted, and for that reason I don't see any reason for the filmmakers in T3 to need to abide by them.

"in T2, the chase scene
- was crucial because it led them to the metal
- refinery where the movie's ending climax takes
- place."

I mean the chase scene with John and Ahnuld on the motorbikes, and T1000 in the tow truck. The chase scene that takes just as long, and performs exactly the same purpose in the plot. Only this time, it was done much better. Not that the original was bad, but it wasn't as spectacular...and I never really bought the tow truck surviving the leap down into the aqueduct. Anyway.

As for the spanish family thing, again, not in the movie, as far as I'm concerned, it never happened. Besides which, Sarah obviously had other contacts; John talks about lots of men who they've known. And were scared off my sarah's terminator stories, but still.

The time loop thing, it's not a matter of cutting one film slack over the others, it's a matter of this movie abiding by the rules established in the first, something you're pretty hard on it for not doing.

The coffin thing, I'm not using a mistake to justify another, just pointing out another. They happen. They were in this movie, and they were in your beloved first two as well.

The TX morphing back into the chick before going after brewster, I dunno. It would've been pretty creepy to have her fiance chasing her around with that little grin on his face and a plasma gun arm...I would've gone for that.

Anyway, this is a seperate point, but it's a quibble I've always had with T2...why doesn't the T1000 actually impersonate the cop it kills? In a precedent followed in this movie, it takes his uniform, but keeps its own face. Hmm?

Ahnuld's no self terminate directive...well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. At no point in any movie is it explicitly stated that given the choice between self termination and mission failure, he wouldn't be given the option.

Let's see...the power cell thing, I stand by what I said, but it is pretty gimmicky. One of the weaker points of the movie.

Cameron's reasons for not signing on...I think he probably was more just done with the series than anything, I know he would've been given script control if he had asked for it, he wrote the first two, and I believe they made some money.

And I think you're right about the colour scheme, but only for that one scene in the desert. With no danger, the terminator gets to just be around a family for a bit, play father to john, learn about humans. The rest of the movie, however, keeps with either the blue, or in the day scenes, a desaturated look that makes LA look chilly...compare, again, the cemetary from T3, with all the lush greens and bright blue sky, to the early john connor scenes in T2.

"Well actually Bald, you're noticing the color
- schemes, and that's great"

If there's one thing I can't stand, it's being talked down to.

As for your point about pickiness,

1)it was a well publicized fact when U-571 came out that the story had been changed. Beyond the crew's nationalities, I don't know anything about it.

2)I love the Terminator movies, all three of them. I hope, though, that I'm never as much of a 'fan' of anything as you seem to be a fan of the terminator series, because it's apparently made you incapable of getting any enjoyment out of anything, anyone tries to add to the series. (See also: fans of the original Matrix and reaction to the sequels).

Anyway, I'm not going on about this anymore. It's my opinion you had your mind made up on this one before it came out, and now you draw out all these minor issues to justify that preconception. But you're missing a nice forest for the trees.

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11-14-2003, 05:58 PM

jared. wrote:
- there's already a thread about T3, but you decide to
- make another. nice job spammer.

Sorry guys I was replying to this one, I inadvertantly edited out the whole quote when I edited my first post because his scripting made my text black.

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11-16-2003, 06:45 AM

Bald wrote:
"Dyson worked for Cyberdyne, a defence contractor. A project like that is funded by government contract, Cyberdyne's not going to make AI controlled B2's to sell to Wal-Mart. While Dyson was the guy responsible for researching and creating skynet (the T2 skynet, anyway), a project like that is funded by the government, and was under Brewster's supervision. When cyberdyne is destroyed, the project doesn't die, it's just set back, because all the cyberdyne work, as well as their terminator pieces, are lost. Thus, the delay in judgement day as development on the skynet project is restarted."

You are actually contradicting the filmmakers' intentions. Watch T3 again, when John Conner has his epiphany about who created skynet. He goes into this "OMG! It was never Miles Dyson!" thing, they actually were not smart enough to explain the whole continuation of work thing you're talking about, they decided to go the dumb route and just say "the previous movie was wrong, this is how it really was."

BTW, Cyberdyne was developing the microchip for use in private airliners, since the majority of airline crashes are due to pilot error, this new supercomputer would eliminate that. I think the exact quote from the original script was: "Imagine a jetline with a pilot that never makes a mistake, never gets tired, never shows up to work with a hangover."

"And I know all about the special editions and all that, but in my opinion, the movie is the movie. If the deleted scenes were necessary, they wouldn't have been deleted, and for that reason I don't see any reason for the filmmakers in T3 to need to abide by them."

Actually, Jim Cameron is infamous for deleting important scenes for the sake of time, something he should have done more in Titanic, but for whatever reason, didn't... Anyway, there were many scenes in the movie which were very important. In fact, in his other movies, such as The Abyss, Cameron cuts out basically the most crucial part of the movie, making the Abyss' ending in the theatrical version not make much sense at all.

"I mean the chase scene with John and Ahnuld on the motorbikes, and T1000 in the tow truck. The chase scene that takes just as long, and performs exactly the same purpose in the plot. Only this time, it was done much better. Not that the original was bad, but it wasn't as spectacular...and I never really bought the tow truck surviving the leap down into the aqueduct. Anyway."

Actually, no, that scene also served a purpose. First, it was during the chase that Arnold, the T800 finally gets his hands on John Conner. Second, it proved to John that he wasn't his enemy. Third, it showed John just how much trouble he was really in.

Hell no this chase wasn't better at all, the chase in T2 was semi-realistic, albeit the truck in real life didn't survive the fall, lmao, but it wasn't overly ridiculous like this one was. It seemed in this movie, they fall for the same old Hollywood mistakes, like how in Hollywood, cars seem to flip over a whole lot easier than they do in real life. Any impact with cars will cause them to fly up in the air and no deceleration to the car that made the impact, and the only vehicles in the entire chase that seems to be able to take any damage without exploding or flipping over are the ones that belong to the main characters, that is, until the chase is supposed to end, then all of a sudden something will finally happen to the pursuer's vehicle...

In T2, the top of the truck was ripped off when it passed under the small street overpass, not because it was cool and sensational, but it's actually true, and almost impromptu, the clearance is actually not tall enough to accomidate a truck, and the literally ripped off the top with the overpass, it wasn't some fancy computer effect, it was real, albeit they weakened the roof a bit just so there's no collateral damage to the cabin of the truck, especially anything that could injure the stunt driver.

Also, all the rusted bodies of cars in the drainage duct were actually impacted by the tow truck, they did not have special pyros that would explode them out of the way in a distance and angle that would simulate a spectacular impact, all of these tricks was done in the T3 chase scene. Mainly to fool the audience into making everything more spectacular and more ridiculous.

"The time loop thing, it's not a matter of cutting one film slack over the others, it's a matter of this movie abiding by the rules established in the first, something you're pretty hard on it for not doing."

Well, it's good that you finally agree on it once it helps the third movie. The rules doesn't say that they all need these loops, the loops were mistakes, and I've admitted they were mistakes in the previous films, you can't say these mistakes were intentional and part of the Terminator universe, thus, they are not mistakes in the third film...

"The coffin thing, I'm not using a mistake to justify another, just pointing out another. They happen. They were in this movie, and they were in your beloved first two as well."

Albeit not quite as careless and for the sake of sensationalism...

"The TX morphing back into the chick before going after brewster, I dunno. It would've been pretty creepy to have her fiance chasing her around with that little grin on his face and a plasma gun arm...I would've gone for that."

Well, the whole point is that there wouldn't have been a need for another chase. If the TX wouldn't have morphed back, they would have hugged, and the TX would have simply crushed Brewster's back and bent her over backward, then rip her in half just to be sure she's dead, and it would have been done with. And that's the logical thing for a machine to do.

"Anyway, this is a seperate point, but it's a quibble I've always had with T2...why doesn't the T1000 actually impersonate the cop it kills? In a precedent followed in this movie, it takes his uniform, but keeps its own face. Hmm?"

Um, how would that have helped?? Either way, John doesn't know the face of the cop or himself. So, why doesn't the TX take the form of the chick she killed when she first arrived? Because it wouldn't have mattered. Anyway, you must assume that when a Terminator is "fitted" to a face, in the morphing Terminators case, programmed with one, you can assume that the face they first arrive in is the "default" face and it's always the neutral point that it can come back to when it doesn't need to impersonate anymore.

"Ahnuld's no self terminate directive...well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. At no point in any movie is it explicitly stated that given the choice between self termination and mission failure, he wouldn't be given the option."

"I cannot self-terminate"

'nuff said.

Oh, and that's AFTER it got it's read-only switched disabled...

"Let's see...the power cell thing, I stand by what I said, but it is pretty gimmicky. One of the weaker points of the movie."

Correction, one of the typical points in the movie, it blends right in with the rest of the film. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

"Cameron's reasons for not signing on...I think he probably was more just done with the series than anything, I know he would've been given script control if he had asked for it, he wrote the first two, and I believe they made some money."

Cameron was involved with the first two movies from the beginning, this is not the case with T3. Other people decided to make the sequel, then he was asked, the script was already approved by C2, the production company. Revisions could be made, but must be approved, and most revisions after the initial budget setting and approval cannot be more than some minor line changes. This is for budget reasons. If Cameron would have signed on, he would not have much power in fixing the script to make it actually make sense. The script-writer for Tank Girl kind of screwed that up from the beginning. Cameron has tried to keep quiet about how he feels about T3, but no one's perfect, he's accidentally made some smart remarks about it. Such as a comment about Arnold's line: "I'll be back" in the 2nd Terminator, Cameron joked with the writer for T2 "Hey, so, what do you think, is that better than "She'll be back"??" Of course he said that in a really mocking and corny voice, and the two of them just broke out in laughter. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

"And I think you're right about the colour scheme, but only for that one scene in the desert. With no danger, the terminator gets to just be around a family for a bit, play father to john, learn about humans. The rest of the movie, however, keeps with either the blue, or in the day scenes, a desaturated look that makes LA look chilly...compare, again, the cemetary from T3, with all the lush greens and bright blue sky, to the early john connor scenes in T2."

Oh, of course, the entire movie is a dark movie, but what I said is that it didn't keep to the BLUE color scheme for the entire movie, it stayed dark and kind of grayish, but it wasn't as metallic blue as in the beginning. Not to mention it got a bit bluer again once Sarah goes to kill Dyson, and I already explained why, because she turns into the machine then, something that has a specific purpose and focuses only on that mission objective. Luckily for Miles and his family, she turns human again once she get's within proximity of Dyson and his family.

"2)I love the Terminator movies, all three of them. I hope, though, that I'm never as much of a 'fan' of anything as you seem to be a fan of the terminator series, because it's apparently made you incapable of getting any enjoyment out of anything, anyone tries to add to the series. (See also: fans of the original Matrix and reaction to the sequels).

Anyway, I'm not going on about this anymore. It's my opinion you had your mind made up on this one before it came out, and now you draw out all these minor issues to justify that preconception. But you're missing a nice forest for the trees."

Um, actually, you're wrong on many accounts there. I went to watch the movie after seeing the extended trailers have more scenes of the future war. The action scenes in the trailer also looked promising to have decent action, and I was kind of interested in the T1, how the Terminators all started out. I went to watch the movie with a good mood, if my friend who was with me was on these forums, he'll tell you, I was kind of excited in seeing some decent action, even if it wasn't really following the Terminator universe too closely. Unfortunately, the action scenes were very over the top ridiculous, gimicky, and just focuses on sensationalism. They tried way too hard to be funny in way too many scenes in the movie. The acting of some crucial characters, such as the TX and john Conner was just horrendous, and the future war scenes, the thing that excited me the most, was too awkward and too short, there simply was not enough of it, and when there was, it was too CG, making it too clean. Obviously computers should be used to finish the effects, but I don't think they made the right choice in making the machines completely CG. Making things look "dirty" with CG is actually quite hard and wasn't really accomplished in the future war scenes in T3, unfortunately.

To say that I can't enjoy any movie is ridiculous, all it takes is some effort and attention to detail. When someone is careless in making movies, it really just ruins it. Carelessness is a movie-maker's worst enemy.

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